> I wonder if it would be possible to fund the writing of the book through > Kickstarter?
I think this is a good idea to explore. I wonder if a professional technical writer might be employed by the funders to edit / draw together materials. It would be a shame to divert Jerm's and ELS's attention from TW In some was the organisational activity of producing a book about TiddlyWiki may help resolve other organizational issues which when combined with TW technicalities have stalled in the past. Alex On 17 November 2011 16:39, Jeremy Ruston <[email protected]> wrote: > Some general reflections on this thread from me: > > * TiddlyWiki does indeed lack the level of documentation that one > would expect. Originally, TiddlyWiki itself was pretty small, and for > a long time I carefully maintained the idea of a good read-source > experience: that someone with a little experience of JavaScript could > reasonably expect to read through the source code in a weekend. As > TiddlyWiki has got more complex that read-the-source experience has > got less useful, and the lack of documentation is more painfully > apparent > > * TiddlyWiki has suffered from a lack of impetus over the last few > years, in terms of keeping up with the changing browser landscape, or > taking advantage of new things like node.js > > * Over the period that I was at Osmosoft we created TiddlyWeb and > TiddlySpace specifically to try to make something that would be useful > in BT, that would take the insights we've learned from TiddlyWiki and > apply them in a way that made sense in the enterprise. Accordingly, as > TiddlyWeb and TiddlySpace have matured, the lion's share of Osmosoft's > attention shifted to them > > * My business plan is to try to have a handful of consultancy clients > that pay for half my time, so that I can work on open source in the > other half -- and thus get more interesting consultancy opportunities. > > * My open source focus is going to be TiddlyWiki. As I've said, I'm > currently working on two basic things: the documentation and > experience of tiddlywiki.com, and updating the build tools. Then I > intend to pursue the ideas for a next generation TiddlyWiki that I > last explored in TiddlyWiki5. > > * I liked Alex's book idea; it is something I've discussed with Eric > over the years, too. At the moment, I'm acutely conscious that I'm > barely keeping up with the writing that I need to do around > tiddlywiki's documentation, and think I might struggle with a big > project like a book. I wonder if it would be possible to fund the > writing of the book through Kickstarter? > > * I don't think we need to replace or close the Google Groups. It > takes human effort to transform the transcript of a conversation into > useful, reusable content. One way to improve things might be for the > regular contributors to the group to adopt an etiquette of writing the > answers to questions on tiddlywiki.org directly, and point to those > answers from the Google Groups thread. > > * It's for Matt and others at Osmosoft to say, but I suspect that me > picking up the reins with TiddlyWiki will be a welcome opportunity for > them to focus whole-heartedly on TiddlyWeb and TiddlySpace. > > Miles, and everyone else, I really appreciate your perspective, and > thank you for your willingness to engage in this dialogue. > > Best wishes > > Jeremy > > > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ben Gillies <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I'm not quite sure why you keep going back to TiddlySpace. >> >> You wrote: >> >>> I expect we're going to go off and write our own framework for >>> single-page applications - because it sure looks a lot easier than >>> buliding on Tiddly. That's sort of a shame. >> >> To which cdent mentioned that non-TiddlyWiki stuff is still possible >> within (something like) TiddlySpace: >> >>> If you're into tiddlers, but not TiddlyWiki, you might have a browse >>> around http://tiddlyspace.com/, looking at some of the non-tiddlywiki >>> applications that have been created there. Ben Gillies and Jon Robson >>> ought to be able to point out some good examples. >> >> To which I replied with some examples from TiddlySpace (hence why they >> all mention TiddlySpace). If the bit you're interested in is >> TiddlyWiki as an offline, single page wiki, and not tiddlers in >> general, then none of what I've said is likely to have been of much >> use to you. That's fine. >> >>> If you look at a server-side equivalent - something like WikiMedia, or >>> Drupal, or WordPress, or perhaps CouchDB, or eXist - the systems have clear, >>> and clearly documented architectures - it's pretty clear how to write a new >>> theme, write a new module, access various APIs, write an application on top >>> of the platform, etc. >>> >>> That's pretty much missing for TiddlyWiki - and it's a real obstacle to >>> anyone who'd actually like to use or extend the platform. >> >> Yep. 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