Ciao Tobias and all I delayed replying because I wanted to review what everyone has written, both here and in the parallel thread on Stack Exchange. <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/ZjVj_X_2BKY>
1 - A absolutely agree that the CORE work on Github is likely as good as is it could be. It works. 2 - I also agree that this Google Group is very good for ONGOING ISSUES. 2a - BUT its also very poor at registering its own history. SOME things that happen here deserve persistent attention. THIS discussion itself is an example. As Google Groups is we will lose it unless action is taken whilst its at the forefront. As is this discussion has forked and its already got unwieldy to follow unless your manually cross-reference and care to read several threads. 2b - Helpful for this Group might be a top placed search address (that Wimm suggested) that helps you look at the archive for this group in a more useable way to: Search This Group. <https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/> (I suggested to Jeremy that he consider adding it to the intro section for the group.) 3a - Riz's Reddit initiative at https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/ is a serious effort and in many ways is a very good environment to ask questions. The easy re-editing so you can keep tightening one's post. (I don't re-edit much here on GG as I'm aware no email recipient would see the changes. But good questions deserve honing until they are as clear as possible.) The better visual layout. Tagging. Upvoting. Additional Wikis. All very easy. 3b - StackExchange/Overflow initiative that Arlen is advancing covers some of the same territory as 3a. The difference between Reddit & StackOverflow, as far as I grasp it, is it is a bit more orientated to technical specificity than Reddit. Supporting supplementary wikis looks a bit more difficult. Getting people involved requires numbers. The barriers to full entry look kinda high, though it would register real commitment if achieved. Arlen will correct me if I am wrong (please). I would like, from my perspective, to ADD need for ... 4 - SHOWCASES. I mean COMPLETE TW's in a gallery system so you can, in ONE place, see what has been done. (I have learned MOST from seeing what others have done in finished, replete, TW's rather than minimal demos.) You talk about the "organic" process of sifting forward. The problem with "organic" is its so flexible its also in danger of becoming also "survival of the loudest" or "the lowest common denominator". Sometimes things get better through it. Sometimes not. In the back of my mind is casualties along the way. OVERALL my sense is we are a lot closer to a workable consensus right now than has been the case for a long time. I hope it will fruit. Best wishes Josiah On Saturday, 17 December 2016 08:02:19 UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote: > > Hi Josiah, > > You brought up TWEderation as an example for let's say "more scattered" > information than you'd like that somehow doesn't organize nearly as good as > you wish and where you believe reddit could provide a better environment to > more efficiently bring the lose pieces together. > > The first point I would make is that TWEderation is a community effort > (one which I have hardly been involved in due to a new job I've been > working for the better part of this year now, sry about that, Jed & Mat). > However, much more so than for the TiddlyWiki core, if you have something > emerge out of a community effort, of course you'll be looking at a highly > organic project with goals and ideas being addressed and discussed and > tested that perhaps feel a bit like moving goalposts and so you may find it > difficult to get to the bottom of it or whatever you try to do with it or > find out. > > However, I would not project this kind of project-/-plugin-motivated > effort onto the TiddlyWiki project as the underlying foundation, even > though the core may as well present a wide range of topics that beg > addressing and leave you on a quest to figuring out the right entry point > to get things moving or just be able to simply "use" something, you know, > do as others did. > > Although perhaps cumbersome, the process to contribute to improving the > core documentation is quite established, from my point of view... while > sure leaving room for improvement here and there. > > Sure, bringing community documentation together and wrapping all that up > in a more unified searchable tagable folksonomy is an entirely different > thing. So, perhaps, with all the efforts on (that) reddit, perhaps the best > focus for it would be to establishing a kind of "knowledge-base" that does > not itself hold the information you're looking for, but only abstracts for > it, but mostly providing an environment for gathering pointers... to all > the bits of information out there that may help you answer a question or > achieve a goal... while leaving lengthy, at times philosophical ponderings > as well as "please help me" requests in the groups and efforts for a solid > core documentation to the more github oriented workflow. > > So, from a practical point of view, maybe we should discuss separation of > concerns rather than try to figure out the best environment for everything. > > *Google Groups*: whatever you want to discuss (in context) > *TiddlyWiki on GitHub*: if you wish to improve the core (docs) > *Reddit*: if you wish to tie otherwise lose ends together in terms of > bits of information pointing elsewhere > > maybe even a dedicated... > > *StackOverflow:* for figuring things out regarding the core, plugins, > themes from a developer / designer point of view > > ...something along these lines. > > Best wishes, > > Tobias. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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