Josiah, thank you for the summary. It is published on LiM to be refined with time: http://confocal-manawatu.pbworks.com/w/page/114120781/TiddlyWiki%20Communication%20Protocol
Cheers, Dmitry On Wednesday, 28 December 2016 04:00:40 UTC+13, Josiah wrote: > > Ciao Tobias and all > > I delayed replying because I wanted to review what everyone has written, > both here and in the parallel thread on Stack Exchange. > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/ZjVj_X_2BKY> > > 1 - A absolutely agree that the CORE work on Github is likely as good as > is it could be. It works. > > 2 - I also agree that this Google Group is very good for ONGOING ISSUES. > > 2a - BUT its also very poor at registering its own history. SOME things > that happen here deserve persistent attention. THIS discussion itself is an > example. As Google Groups is we will lose it unless action is taken whilst > its at the forefront. As is this discussion has forked and its already got > unwieldy to follow unless your manually cross-reference and care to read > several threads. > > 2b - Helpful for this Group might be a top placed search address (that > Wimm suggested) that helps you look at the archive for this group in a more > useable way to: Search This Group. > <https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/> (I suggested > to Jeremy that he consider adding it to the intro section for the group.) > > 3a - Riz's Reddit initiative at https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/ is > a serious effort and in many ways is a very good environment to ask > questions. The easy re-editing so you can keep tightening one's post. (I > don't re-edit much here on GG as I'm aware no email recipient would see the > changes. But good questions deserve honing until they are as clear as > possible.) The better visual layout. Tagging. Upvoting. Additional Wikis. > All very easy. > > 3b - StackExchange/Overflow initiative that Arlen is advancing covers some > of the same territory as 3a. The difference between Reddit & StackOverflow, > as far as I grasp it, is it is a bit more orientated to technical > specificity than Reddit. Supporting supplementary wikis looks a bit more > difficult. Getting people involved requires numbers. The barriers to full > entry look kinda high, though it would register real commitment if > achieved. Arlen will correct me if I am wrong (please). > > I would like, from my perspective, to ADD need for ... > > 4 - SHOWCASES. I mean COMPLETE TW's in a gallery system so you can, in ONE > place, see what has been done. (I have learned MOST from seeing what others > have done in finished, replete, TW's rather than minimal demos.) > > You talk about the "organic" process of sifting forward. The problem with > "organic" is its so flexible its also in danger of becoming also "survival > of the loudest" or "the lowest common denominator". Sometimes things get > better through it. Sometimes not. In the back of my mind is casualties > along the way. > > OVERALL my sense is we are a lot closer to a workable consensus right now > than has been the case for a long time. I hope it will fruit. > > Best wishes > Josiah > > On Saturday, 17 December 2016 08:02:19 UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote: >> >> Hi Josiah, >> >> You brought up TWEderation as an example for let's say "more scattered" >> information than you'd like that somehow doesn't organize nearly as good as >> you wish and where you believe reddit could provide a better environment to >> more efficiently bring the lose pieces together. >> >> The first point I would make is that TWEderation is a community effort >> (one which I have hardly been involved in due to a new job I've been >> working for the better part of this year now, sry about that, Jed & Mat). >> However, much more so than for the TiddlyWiki core, if you have something >> emerge out of a community effort, of course you'll be looking at a highly >> organic project with goals and ideas being addressed and discussed and >> tested that perhaps feel a bit like moving goalposts and so you may find it >> difficult to get to the bottom of it or whatever you try to do with it or >> find out. >> >> However, I would not project this kind of project-/-plugin-motivated >> effort onto the TiddlyWiki project as the underlying foundation, even >> though the core may as well present a wide range of topics that beg >> addressing and leave you on a quest to figuring out the right entry point >> to get things moving or just be able to simply "use" something, you know, >> do as others did. >> >> Although perhaps cumbersome, the process to contribute to improving the >> core documentation is quite established, from my point of view... while >> sure leaving room for improvement here and there. >> >> Sure, bringing community documentation together and wrapping all that up >> in a more unified searchable tagable folksonomy is an entirely different >> thing. So, perhaps, with all the efforts on (that) reddit, perhaps the best >> focus for it would be to establishing a kind of "knowledge-base" that does >> not itself hold the information you're looking for, but only abstracts for >> it, but mostly providing an environment for gathering pointers... to all >> the bits of information out there that may help you answer a question or >> achieve a goal... while leaving lengthy, at times philosophical ponderings >> as well as "please help me" requests in the groups and efforts for a solid >> core documentation to the more github oriented workflow. >> >> So, from a practical point of view, maybe we should discuss separation of >> concerns rather than try to figure out the best environment for everything. >> >> *Google Groups*: whatever you want to discuss (in context) >> *TiddlyWiki on GitHub*: if you wish to improve the core (docs) >> *Reddit*: if you wish to tie otherwise lose ends together in terms of >> bits of information pointing elsewhere >> >> maybe even a dedicated... >> >> *StackOverflow:* for figuring things out regarding the core, plugins, >> themes from a developer / designer point of view >> >> ...something along these lines. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Tobias. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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