Ah, interesting. I think I am understanding :)
On Dec 27, 2016 18:33, "Dmitry Sokolov" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Arlen,
Every information/documentation system has an entry point. I
think that here everything starts with TiddlyWiki.com. So once
the StackExchange site is in beta we can put that on
TiddlyWiki.com.
"Single Entry Point" is a very good idea for any community working
in "Transmedia" environment. The problem with TW site is it's
inconsistency with one of the TW principles: Anything Is a Tiddler
<http://confocal-manawatu.pbworks.com/w/page/113999350/Anything%20Is%20a%20Tiddler>.
In my experience, "Anything" means anything. If I have, for
example, "TiddlyWiki Mailing List" in mind, I should be able to
find it in the "Topic Search" bar on TW site. It's not there,
unfortunately. To my understanding, it is not there because TW
site is following the common (and may be obsolete?) principles of
sequential and hierarchical organisation information. Same
principles can be seen in books, file systems, street maps, etc.
Don't take me wrong, hierarchy is great for discovering and
learning purposes, when I don't know what expect from this
particular site or field of knowledge. However, it's inapplicable
to my "finding" activities when I am absolutely sure that the
content is "there" and under that particular title. This "Direct
Access to Particular Topics" mode is not realised on TW yet.
Here is how it is realised on LiM:
http://confocal-manawatu.pbworks.com/w/page/104863210/Direct%20Access%20to%20LikeInMind%20Pages
<http://confocal-manawatu.pbworks.com/w/page/104863210/Direct%20Access%20to%20LikeInMind%20Pages>
Type a topic, and you will be either transferred onto that
particular page, or asked to create a missing page. In the latter
case, there is a number of scenarios I would prefer to talk later.
In my experience again (sorry for being spoiled by "knowledge
networking" technique), I do not have to remember what and where
was and have to be published. I open a Topic and see all the links
I need for communication, as well as the summary of that
communication, like on this page prepared for TiddlyWiki
Development Plans
<http://confocal-manawatu.pbworks.com/w/page/114118636/TiddlyWiki%20Development%20Plans>.
I have no expectations in regards to the content of this page but
allow it developed as adequate to the actual situation as needed
for my immediate actions and reuse.
In my experience, if I divide information in pieces (tiddlers), I
do that in purpose, and the purpose is the reuse of those
particular bits of information. Reuse means accessibility.
Accessibility can be provided only when each particular tiddler
can be found / directly accessed, or discovered in seconds. Any
kind of forum, GGroops, ReddIt, etc., are not made for the
purpose. They are good for discussions of massive number of
participants, as a primary source of information. However, for
"decision making" and fast action they are not applicable. One
would need to go through all the posts, before sense formed and
prepared for a decision. The latter means that every decision is
based on "reinvention of a wheel" done previously by someone else,
on the same topic, in similar situations. That's how I see place
and role of Knowledge Network vs Forums.
<http://confocal-manawatu.pbworks.com/w/page/64408923/Knowledge%20Network%20vs%20Forums>
As someone already mentioned on this forum, federation of tiddlers
is as important as federation of the structuring of the knowledge
networks. LikeInMind methodology and PBWorks technology are
flexible enough to allow federation of anything.
The bottom line would probably be:
* scattering of resources between various platforms (Transmedia
environment) puts a barrier to accessibility to particular
knowledge.
* knowledge networking (interconnection of relevant tiddlers
into taxonomies and networks) removes the barrier and allows
any particular tiddler found / discovered in seconds
These are the fundamentals for LikeInMind knowledge networking
platform I am planning to transfer into the TiddlyWiki format, a
format of future P2P Web, to my understanding.
Thank you All for what you have developed,
my special thanks to Jeremy Ruston
<http://confocal-manawatu.pbworks.com/w/page/114069544/Jeremy%20Ruston>
Dmitry
On Wednesday, 28 December 2016 07:14:03 UTC+13, Arlen Beiler wrote:
On Dec 27, 2016 12:52 AM, "Dmitry Sokolov" wrote:
My concerns:
* TW on SO looks not very popular
* our activities will be scattered between the platforms
o an environment linking all the bits and pieces
similar to LikeInMind will be required, to have
all knowledge reliably found, discovered and retrieved
Every information/documentation system has an entry point. I
think that here everything starts with TiddlyWiki.com. So once
the StackExchange site is in beta we can put that on
TiddlyWiki.com.
People find the other resources through that most likely, as
well as through Google perhaps. Group users do a lot of stuff
with the group, and the main complaint is that there is no way
to keep old content accessible. A StackExchange site will
probably take care of the technical questions.
Your PBWorks site is useful, though. Many people compile lists
of information in different ways and different people like
different ways, so more regular TiddlyWiki users may use your
list to find resources.
TiddlyWiki on Stack Overflow is not used because no one has
been monitoring it or pointing to it. However, if we create a
StackExchange site, it will become used a lot, because we'll
start sending people over there with their questions.
I don't think we will get too scattered. This is reminding me
of a swarm of honeybees. When they swarm, most of them will go
find a tree and sit there while the scouts go out and decide
where to make their new home. Then the scouts come back and
talk to each other and keep going back and forth till they
decide. Then they all go to the new place.
In the same way, any solution we find is going to be community
driven, so if it doesn't take we'll all come back here and
regroup. People generally like cohesiveness, so we will
probably find ways to make it work. Most of the discussion
here is just exploring different options. Even the
StackExchange proposal is part of that discussion.
On Dec 27, 2016 10:00 AM, "Josiah" <[email protected]> wrote:
3b - StackExchange/Overflow initiative that Arlen is
advancing covers some of the same territory as 3a. The
difference between Reddit & StackOverflow, as far as I
grasp it, is it is a bit more orientated to technical
specificity than Reddit. Supporting supplementary wikis
looks a bit more difficult. Getting people involved
requires numbers. The barriers to full entry look kinda
high, though it would register real commitment if
achieved. Arlen will correct me if I am wrong (please).
I think that a StackExchange site will have a fairly strong
amount of support. Wiki info may be difficult. WikiBooks or
Reddit may be a very useful answer. There is a documentation
feature on Stack Overflow that may be available on other
sites. We could use it as a starting point.
I don't think that the entry requirements are very formidable
given the size of our Google Group. Once we get to beta we
will find out, though. Even if we don't end up with a
StackExchange site, we could consider using the tag on Stack
Overflow.
Thanks,
-Arlen
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I'm supporting a proposal to create a new Q&A website for
anyone who uses TiddlyWiki, and anyone who develops for
TiddlyWiki.
It's built on the same software as stackoverflow.com
<http://stackoverflow.com/>, a hugely popular site where over
seven million programmers help each other with difficult
programming problems. On Stack Overflow the audience votes for
the best answer, so the answer you want is usually right at
the top, not on page five.
I'm hoping that a site for anyone who uses TiddlyWiki, and
anyone who develops for TiddlyWiki would have the same kind of
network effect and turn into an amazing resource.
The proposal process is going on here:
http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/105326/tiddlywiki?referrer=kk4xS6VP59WB49QQOgt7xA2
<http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/105326/tiddlywiki?referrer=kk4xS6VP59WB49QQOgt7xA2>
If you're interested in participating, go to that URL and
click on the orange "Follow It!" button.
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