Ah, interesting. I think I am understanding :)
On Dec 27, 2016 18:33, "Dmitry Sokolov" <[email protected]> wrote: > Arlen, > > Every information/documentation system has an entry point. I think that >> here everything starts with TiddlyWiki.com. So once the StackExchange site >> is in beta we can put that on TiddlyWiki.com. > > "Single Entry Point" is a very good idea for any community working in > "Transmedia" environment. The problem with TW site is it's inconsistency > with one of the TW principles: Anything Is a Tiddler > <http://confocal-manawatu.pbworks.com/w/page/113999350/Anything%20Is%20a%20Tiddler>. > In my experience, "Anything" means anything. If I have, for example, > "TiddlyWiki Mailing List" in mind, I should be able to find it in the > "Topic Search" bar on TW site. It's not there, unfortunately. To my > understanding, it is not there because TW site is following the common (and > may be obsolete?) principles of sequential and hierarchical organisation > information. Same principles can be seen in books, file systems, street > maps, etc. > > Don't take me wrong, hierarchy is great for discovering and learning > purposes, when I don't know what expect from this particular site or field > of knowledge. However, it's inapplicable to my "finding" activities when I > am absolutely sure that the content is "there" and under that particular > title. This "Direct Access to Particular Topics" mode is not realised on TW > yet. > Here is how it is realised on LiM: http://confocal-manawatu. > pbworks.com/w/page/104863210/Direct%20Access%20to%20LikeInMind%20Pages > Type a topic, and you will be either transferred onto that particular > page, or asked to create a missing page. In the latter case, there is a > number of scenarios I would prefer to talk later. > > In my experience again (sorry for being spoiled by "knowledge networking" > technique), I do not have to remember what and where was and have to be > published. I open a Topic and see all the links I need for communication, > as well as the summary of that communication, like on this page prepared > for TiddlyWiki Development Plans > <http://confocal-manawatu.pbworks.com/w/page/114118636/TiddlyWiki%20Development%20Plans>. > I have no expectations in regards to the content of this page but allow it > developed as adequate to the actual situation as needed for my immediate > actions and reuse. > > In my experience, if I divide information in pieces (tiddlers), I do that > in purpose, and the purpose is the reuse of those particular bits of > information. Reuse means accessibility. Accessibility can be provided only > when each particular tiddler can be found / directly accessed, or > discovered in seconds. Any kind of forum, GGroops, ReddIt, etc., are not > made for the purpose. They are good for discussions of massive number of > participants, as a primary source of information. However, for "decision > making" and fast action they are not applicable. One would need to go > through all the posts, before sense formed and prepared for a decision. The > latter means that every decision is based on "reinvention of a wheel" done > previously by someone else, on the same topic, in similar situations. > That's how I see place and role of Knowledge Network vs Forums. > <http://confocal-manawatu.pbworks.com/w/page/64408923/Knowledge%20Network%20vs%20Forums> > > As someone already mentioned on this forum, federation of tiddlers is as > important as federation of the structuring of the knowledge networks. > LikeInMind methodology and PBWorks technology are flexible enough to allow > federation of anything. > > The bottom line would probably be: > > - scattering of resources between various platforms (Transmedia > environment) puts a barrier to accessibility to particular knowledge. > - knowledge networking (interconnection of relevant tiddlers into > taxonomies and networks) removes the barrier and allows any particular > tiddler found / discovered in seconds > > These are the fundamentals for LikeInMind knowledge networking platform I > am planning to transfer into the TiddlyWiki format, a format of future P2P > Web, to my understanding. > > > Thank you All for what you have developed, > > my special thanks to Jeremy Ruston > <http://confocal-manawatu.pbworks.com/w/page/114069544/Jeremy%20Ruston> > > Dmitry > > > On Wednesday, 28 December 2016 07:14:03 UTC+13, Arlen Beiler wrote: >> >> On Dec 27, 2016 12:52 AM, "Dmitry Sokolov" wrote: >> >> My concerns: >> >> - TW on SO looks not very popular >> - our activities will be scattered between the platforms >> - an environment linking all the bits and pieces similar to >> LikeInMind will be required, to have all knowledge reliably found, >> discovered and retrieved >> >> >> Every information/documentation system has an entry point. I think that >> here everything starts with TiddlyWiki.com. So once the StackExchange site >> is in beta we can put that on TiddlyWiki.com. >> >> People find the other resources through that most likely, as well as >> through Google perhaps. Group users do a lot of stuff with the group, and >> the main complaint is that there is no way to keep old content accessible. >> A StackExchange site will probably take care of the technical questions. >> >> Your PBWorks site is useful, though. Many people compile lists of >> information in different ways and different people like different ways, so >> more regular TiddlyWiki users may use your list to find resources. >> >> TiddlyWiki on Stack Overflow is not used because no one has been >> monitoring it or pointing to it. However, if we create a StackExchange >> site, it will become used a lot, because we'll start sending people over >> there with their questions. >> >> I don't think we will get too scattered. This is reminding me of a swarm >> of honeybees. When they swarm, most of them will go find a tree and sit >> there while the scouts go out and decide where to make their new home. Then >> the scouts come back and talk to each other and keep going back and forth >> till they decide. Then they all go to the new place. >> >> In the same way, any solution we find is going to be community driven, so >> if it doesn't take we'll all come back here and regroup. People generally >> like cohesiveness, so we will probably find ways to make it work. Most of >> the discussion here is just exploring different options. Even the >> StackExchange proposal is part of that discussion. >> >> On Dec 27, 2016 10:00 AM, "Josiah" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> 3b - StackExchange/Overflow initiative that Arlen is advancing covers >> some of the same territory as 3a. The difference between Reddit & >> StackOverflow, as far as I grasp it, is it is a bit more orientated to >> technical specificity than Reddit. Supporting supplementary wikis looks a >> bit more difficult. Getting people involved requires numbers. The barriers >> to full entry look kinda high, though it would register real commitment if >> achieved. Arlen will correct me if I am wrong (please). >> >> >> I think that a StackExchange site will have a fairly strong amount of >> support. Wiki info may be difficult. WikiBooks or Reddit may be a very >> useful answer. There is a documentation feature on Stack Overflow that may >> be available on other sites. We could use it as a starting point. >> >> I don't think that the entry requirements are very formidable given the >> size of our Google Group. Once we get to beta we will find out, though. >> Even if we don't end up with a StackExchange site, we could consider using >> the tag on Stack Overflow. >> >> Thanks, >> -Arlen >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> >> I'm supporting a proposal to create a new Q&A website for anyone who uses >> TiddlyWiki, and anyone who develops for TiddlyWiki. >> >> It's built on the same software as stackoverflow.com, a hugely popular >> site where over seven million programmers help each other with difficult >> programming problems. On Stack Overflow the audience votes for the best >> answer, so the answer you want is usually right at the top, not on page >> five. >> >> I'm hoping that a site for anyone who uses TiddlyWiki, and anyone who >> develops for TiddlyWiki would have the same kind of network effect and turn >> into an amazing resource. >> >> The proposal process is going on here: >> >> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/105326/tiddlywiki? >> referrer=kk4xS6VP59WB49QQOgt7xA2 >> >> If you're interested in participating, go to that URL and click on the >> orange "Follow It!" button. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/ > msgid/tiddlywiki/78c3cb75-567d-4288-8228-489559139883%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/78c3cb75-567d-4288-8228-489559139883%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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