Ciao PMario Before I reply on your suggested message (I need think about it a little bit first)... I'd like to make an observation ...
I think one of the reasons its not so easy to get the message exactly right is awareness that users are likely, unfortunately, NOT routinely backing-up. So the message of advised steps also has to kinda deal with that. BUT should it? IF we were SURE they were backing up then the message could be a lot simpler I think. BECAUSE I run redundant backup that detects changes in a TW every 30 minutes or so I would rarely follow your suggested steps. I'd just close (without saving) and re-open & if the problem came back I'd revert to a previous version. I suppose what I am saying is *I don't see why TW creators should have to have the hassle of laying out complex steps because users are lazy about backup*. In a way I think they should ASSUME people back-up. But also give alerts, in the "Red Screen", to encourage them to do that if they aren't already. Backup is universally understood as a basic principle. Its likely one of the most straight-forward concepts you encounter in TW. I don't like to see you developers over-apologise when Users do need to take some ordinary, understandable, responsibility too. I hope it is clear what I am saying. That whilst reminders of backups are a very good idea, especially in "crash" messages, I'd NOT try to address salvage in every post-crash scenario ultra-carefully. It just gets too complicated. IF you had decent recent backups already you'd simply bail out. Best wishes Josiah On Thursday, 16 March 2017 14:50:26 UTC+1, PMario wrote: > > On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 1:45:53 PM UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote: >> >> The impact on me when I was first using TW of Red Messages: they got me >> in a hot sweat. Till I realised they are rarely fatal. My single biggest >> issue has never been them. Its been browser crashes corrupting the TW file. >> > > That's the problem. We actually don't know, if the system is in a "fatal > state". ... but it could be. > > .... So opening the file explorer and create a backup, before the next > save may be the best choice. ... I'll probably include this advice. > > > > >> To be honest its the *AESTHETICS of the warnings* as much as anything >> that scared me, and likely for others who have no clear idea what is >> happening. >> > > OK. It should be scary! > > >> TBH, I'd rather have a message like ... >> >> * DON'T PANIC.* >> > > Good advice! > > >> >> *There is a problem but it is likely not a disaster, just a small glitch.* >> > > We really cant promise that. .. The internal state, may be broken and the > next save may hurt. Especially if users try out 3rd party software. .. > > >> * To be safe, please close the window this TW is in and reopen it.* >> > > That's exactly, what should be done. > > >> >> >> * NOTA BENE: Please make sure that you always regularly backup your >> TiddlyWiki because failures do happen & it would be a great shame if >> you lost your work.* >> > > I like that. Backups are always good. > > ------------------ > > So the right thing to do is: > > > DON'T PANIC. There is a problem but it is likely not a disaster. > > - Please open your file explorer and create a backup of your TW file. > - *Don't save, create the backup .. Now!* > - After you did the backup, you can save this wiki. > - *To avoid data loss, please close and reopen the TiddlyWiki.* > - Check the content. > > NOTA BENE: Please make sure that you regularly backup your data, > because failures do happen & it would be a great shame if you lost > your work. > > what do you think. ... To complicated? > > -m > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/0b59ffd4-ecbd-4f4d-9bbb-5590798bfc3a%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
