I agree with Chris (and others) on this: even if there are problems with NHSTing, it's still the standard in the literature and any student going on to grad study would be at a terrible disadvantage in not being familiar with it. It's one thing to explain it and point out its limitations; it's an entirely different thing to not teach it at all.
m -- Marc Carter, PhD Associate Professor of Psychology Chair, Department of Behavioral and Health Sciences College of Arts & Sciences Baker University -- From: Christopher Green [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 5:24 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Quickie Poll On How to Teach Undergraduate Statistics No. NHST is problematic, to be sure, but a student who takes a stats course in a psych dept and doesn't come out understanding NHST will be unable to read and understand the psychological research literature as it currently exists. If NHST causes confusion, then it is up to the textbook writer and teacher to clarify it. Trying to ignore it is counterproductive. Even if one thinks that NHST should be completely eliminated from psychological research (and, personally, I'm with the Wilkinson Report that NHST is not actually useless, it is just too-heavily relied on to answer questions it can't answer), one must know one's opponents (better than even its advocates do). Chris --- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://www.yorku.ca/christo/ ========================== On 2012-02-20, at 11:13 AM, Michael Palij wrote: Okay, I beg your indulgence and participation in an unscientific poll where you can either post your response to the TiPS list (for discussion) or email your response directly to me. I am finishing a book review on an undergraduate statistics textbook that (a) attempts to eliminate all null hypothesis signitifcance testing (NHST) in favor of focusing on effect sizes (ES), confidence intervals (CI), and (old fashioned) meta-analysis and (b) encourages research on "statistical cognition" which, according to the author, shows that teaching NHST causes greater confusion in students than an ES/CI approach . Given that limited description, I'm going to make this into a 2-alternative forced choice question: Would you use such a textbook as the main textbook in the first/introductory statistics in psychology course? [ [ Yes [ ] No Comments? If you care to, you might comment on whether current intro stat textbooks do an adequate job of covering issues such as effect sizes and confidence intervals (these days I use some version of Gravetter and Wallnau which, in my opinion, do an adequate job introducing the topics which I assume lay the foundation for a more advanced undergraduate course in statistical methods). Thanks in advance for your cooperation. -Mike Palij New York University [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> P.S. And, no, this not about procrastinating on finishing the book review. Well, mostly it's not. ;-) --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62bd92&n=T&l=tips&o=16147 or send a blank email to leave-16147-430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62b...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13029.76c7c563b32ad9d8d09c72a2d17c90e1&n=T&l=tips&o=16165 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-16165-13029.76c7c563b32ad9d8d09c72a2d17c9...@fsulist.frostburg.edu<mailto:leave-16165-13029.76c7c563b32ad9d8d09c72a2d17c9...@fsulist.frostburg.edu> ________________________________ The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by Baker University ("BU") and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify Baker University by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=16174 or send a blank email to leave-16174-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
