Mortslim-

I've seen all those "scientific" tests. Basically, they prove nothing.
Why? Again, what equipment was used, and how was it set up? Is it
really good enough to bring out the differences? Some of the tests you
bring up fail on these counts.

Again, who are the listeners? Audio perception is a learned skill. Lots
of people can't hear differences, that doesn't mean they don't exist.
One of my friends can't hear the difference between my audiophile setup
and his ipod with 128k files. So what? That "most" people can't hear
something only proves that "they" can't hear it; it proves nothing about
what others can hear. 

Finally, there is even the question of the validity of the testing
method itself. How do you test audio perception? Quick A/B comparisons?
Long term listening? Just a few of the questions involved.

Hearing and age? Again, not necessarily meaningful. You seem not to be
able to understand the concept that hi-res reproduction isn't simply
about hearing higher frequencies. BTW, I had my hearing tested, and
scored about 20 years younger than the chart you think is gospel. The
data is based on average or typical results. Means nothing regarding a
specific individual.

Finally - your "point" about audio snakeoil. So since some audiophiles
may fool themselves, the conclusion is then that everything hi-end is
bullshit?
Sorry, not a logical conclusion.

Again, from everything you write, it seems clear you've made up your
mind without ever hearing good hi-resolution sound reproduction. A
closed mind doesn't listen any more accurately than one that is easily
suggestible. Maybe you're the one fooling yourself.


-- 
firedog

Tranquil PC fanless server running SqueezeCenter; SB Duet through
Empirical Audio Pace Car; TACT 2.2XP; MF X-150,Sonus Faber Concerto;
Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use
PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in bedroom. Arcam CD82
which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player.
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