Possibly not before something very, very bad happens. Americans have become far too fat and happy...and lazy...for mass protests like we saw in the 60s. And short of that, I don't see much changing for the better unless there's a long string of refreshingly sincere presidents in office.
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 7:06 PM, L D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IMO those who are only upset today have missed the previous 7 (perhaps 15) > years of warnings. There is a deeper problem at work here. Hopefully it is > addressed sometime soon. > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Sam Cayze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: 7/10/08 6:10 PM > Subject: RE: [Treo] Treo 800w > > I my eyes, A VERY VERY sad day in the history of the United States. > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > John Messeder > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:05 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Treo] Treo 800w > > > > President Bush signed today a law which effectively guarantees that any > entity with access to our communications, writings, calendars, etc. can > turn over that information to law enforcement. No judges, no search > warrants. Just someone noticing that you've sent an email to someone > named Mahmoud. > With the Fourth Amendment out of the way, I guess worrying about > Apple and Microsoft is pointless. > On the other hand, my Treo680 still does a bunch of stuff that's > important to me, that no other device does. > Oh, well. > > On 07/10/2008 5:28:44 PM -0400 > L D <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:ldouglas%40gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Except where it comes to Canadian rate plans (allegedly)? >> >> I don't dispute that Apple is good at what it does, I just personally > don't like that kind of Microsoftian approach. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Roger Prokic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:roger%40prokic.org> > >> To: "Treo User Palm Treo User Group" <[email protected] > <mailto:treo%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Sent: 7/10/08 4:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [Treo] Treo 800w >> >> Apple has a winning business model and as such they make the rules. As > a developer you can join them and your earnings could be very lucrative. >> --- >> Roger Prokic >> Baltimore, Maryland >> -=[ Sent via BlackBerry 8820 by AT&T ]=- >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: L D <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:ldouglas%40gmail.com> > >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:30:43 >> To: <[email protected] <mailto:treo%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Subject: RE: [Treo] Treo 800w >> >> >> By preventing apps (real apps) from getting on the phone without using > their pipe? Isn't that the definition of control? >> >> Whether it's sound business logic or not is a matter of opinion. But > some people prefer a freer approach to application development and > distribution. You know, the whole "barriers to entry" thing. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Roger Prokic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:roger%40prokic.org> > >> To: "Treo User Palm Treo User Group" <[email protected] > <mailto:treo%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Sent: 7/10/08 8:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [Treo] Treo 800w >> >> I don't think Apple is in any way controlling the tools for the > iPhone. They are demonstrating business intelligence - the power to > capitalize on their innovation. Their iPhone 3G App Store goes online > today at 9am PDT. We will all get a chance to see the various offerings > from 3rd party developers... It'll be the time to see if the iPhone 3G > is all hype or whether it stands a chance at being a real business tool > instead of a toy as the current version is IMO. >> >> Roger >> --- >> Roger Prokic >> Baltimore, Maryland >> -=[ Sent via BlackBerry 8820 by AT&T ]=- >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Messeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:jmesseder%40comcast.net> > >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:50:53 >> To: <[email protected] <mailto:treo%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Subject: Re: [Treo] Treo 800w >> >> >> Make that for me a raw, unbiding, philosophical loathing of Microsoft > in >> general. An invorrigible techno-toy junkiy, I refrained from the first > >> Siemens smartphone because it would have force me to use Outlook, an >> application I had tried and hated. I have used other parts of > Microsoft >> Office because I had to get along with clients. I'm currently on > Office >> 2003; I don't remember the requirement that made me upgrade, but I >> remember being wicked upset when Microsoft decided all my knowledge of > >> WordBasic macro writing was done away with. >> I tell that to tell this -- last night, I allowed Microsoft to >> install a Very Important Security Update. When it was over, I had no >> Internet access. There was a warning that I might need to restart >> Windows at the end of the installation process, but not that it was >> about to turn ZoneAlarm into a brick wall between me and the Internet. >> Fortunately, I am on a list that deal with such stuff and remembered >> already downloading an email that refered to a similar occurence with >> other non-MS firewalls. >> It now appears that Apple may be headed in the same direction with >> its iPhone. As cool as the device is, there's just something wrong > about >> one company having that much control over my choice of tools. >> I wonder whether there will be an 800P. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- http://www.GearBits.com -- Tech. Culture. Ideas. Opinions.
