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Hi Leôncio,
You apologize for offering techniques that are not TROM.
Doing something consciously is TROM. I have highlighted some text:
From TROM:
Then I recalled what I regard as one of Ron's
great discoveries: "if you can get the preclear
to do consciously that which his mind does
automatically, he will regain control of that function of his psyche."
So maybe the problem would crack if the person,
on a do-it-yourself basis, were to take things
out of his past and bring them into the present
and put them back out into the past again, and
bring them into the present......to learn how to
do consciously, what his reactive mind does
automatically, to start to take over the automaticity.
Then and there, I knew I'd cracked it. That had
been the missing datum. The analytical part of
the psyche can duplicate exactly what the reactive mind can do.
The analytical faculty has at it's disposal the
creative faculty of the whole spiritual being,
and can simulate, create, bring about, mockup,
and do exactly what the reactive part of the mind
is doing. Evidently, the analytical part of the
mind has decided not to do this, but it can learn (or relearn) how to do so.
Martin
At 25/06/2010 Friday 23:59, Leôncio Madruga wrote:
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Hi David
< And working with L 4. This is not going so well. >
You are tromming in the correct way. Then you
are vanishing a lot of charges. Very good!
And now you are more opened for more charges to
vanish. And now you are getting emotional. Its
a natural consequence of charges vanishing. Now
you have more opportunities to TB. Of course,
those emotionals can become worst, and must be solved. That is all .
Level 4 is a though one, because you are digging more deeper.
< My emotions seem to be mostly anxiety , fear and guilt. >
The fear hided all the bad scenes you have had
in your past, to preserve your sanity (or you
would go stay all life in the asylum).
Welcome to our trom list: all of us showed fear,
and guilty, and anxiety, and diseases, and unhappiness, and etc., for years...
< I am afraid of
>
Sometimes we can better express ourselves with
our stories. So you, when describing yours games
details. And this is the trom list goal: a no
game condition to help each other.
All of us can help you with our points of view,
but you have to choose what to do, e you will be
the responsible for your actions, as you always was, knowing this or not.
< Based on my research
>
I agree with you that we inherited from
ascendants all the seeds of virtues and vicious
we need. And we chose all of them (and so we are
responsible by our choices) during conception:
Physical, Emotional, Spiritual seeds. Those
seeds grow on their right time. And here in my
country we say The son of the fish, little fish
is. I had a wonderful therapy (of 20 sessions)
based on this concepts and I experienced this stuff. So I do believe in that.
But this knowledge is a rational Mind stuff. And
our problems are all from Reactive Mind stuff,
and they play though games with each other.
Knowledge normally does not resolve problems,
but its only the knowledge application which normally does.
< I go catatonic ( go into stupor and numbness ) at those times.>
I do have a very painful case. But you can
stimulate your problems with absolute precision! And it is of great value!
So you should start from them.
I suggest you some techniques I have used with
success. Some of them are not TROM techniques
(sorry guys for this) , but the big point here
is to dissolve your problems. TROM is a
wonderful technology for continuous upgrading of
our spiritual being. But sometimes the things
get so worse and the pain is so high that we
decide abandon this lifeboat. Those techniques
helped in specific and though events, where I
could not have enough energy (or courage) to
apply trom. So I resolved my problems and trom becomes easier again.
1. Just by facing the problem
a. Hug someone, feel the displeasure
without judgment (just feel), until gone. I did
that with my fear, successfully.
b. This is the toughest one, but works.
2. Imagine two opposite scenes and timebreak them.
a. Imagine the worst scene with a hug, or
intimate relationship, or any other scene where you go catatonic.
b. Inside the above scene choose the better
place to stay away from the bad one. This better place is your best scene.
c. Timebrake those scenes.
i. This is an especial kind of timebreak
(not mentioned by Denis). The key point is you
compare the bad scenes with the good scene,
using the exact method of timebreak. In place of
Now you should use the better scene.
ii. When you see the bad one you will tend
to be catatonic, but then you change focus to
the good scene, and that is a healthy one, you become normal again.
iii. Each time you focus both, the fear,
the guilty, the displeasure, the discomfort gets smaller.
iv. When the charges vanished, the work is done.
3. You can try EFT or Emotrace (google can assist you to find out)
4. You can try Primes Integration (two hours only Zivorad thecnology)
5. You can try DP4 (also a Zivorad Technology)
a. This technique is very close with the especial timebreak above.
b. You should immerse in those scenes, one scene each time.
c. In each immersion you should just
identify four aspects that comes to your mind
when you jump in that scene: body sensation, emotion, image, thought.
d. You should alternate the scenes until
you realize that those scenes are the same!
e. And at end both scenes integrate and the
bad one does not bother you any more.
Your case is a very bad one, but it is just a
reaction of your reactive mind trying to get
attention from your Rational Mind to vanish your charges.
All of them can be surely vanished.
And when you finally do that with them, you will love hug and love everybody.
Keep tromming and be happy.
Leoncio
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