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Hi David, Just curious. Was there a point that you found TROM comprehensive ? In other words you "Clearly" understood what Dennis was talking about ? If so what was that point ? Fran
Hi Pete, I thank you for your less than candid response. My background is that I have had only a miniscule amount of Scientology Auditing. Just the Life Repair materials. No Grades or Clearing or OT. I also had a minuscule amount of auditor training and ran a couple of auditing sessions back in 1978. I am just a student with almost zero experience. And you have had 30 yrs to assimilate scn concepts, which is very important. I agree that the book TROM is hard to understand. Be honest. That is an understatement. It is a whole lot more than hard to understand. I read the book 17 times from cover to cover before I was satisfied I had a good understanding of it. I then read the Ghost Danse articles twice and the Sedona Method book twice through and wrote out all of the Sedona Method commands and began to apply them for a while. A clearing process that requires that much time and study is ridiculous. It is not practical. And such time and effort should be expected of the average person. The few exceptions to the sorry facts, does not make TROM ( the way it exists) a practical or workable process. There is something wrong with something ( a subject ) that takes more than a few times of reading to understand and do. Dennis' simplistic claim that anyone can do it is a lie. Like Hubbard said, a problem that contains a lie cannot be solved. In regards to TROM it is more than containing a simple or single lie. After all that I came back to TROM and found a few things I still misunderstood there. As you can see my solution to what I do not understand is to bull ahead and study everything like it till I get a better understanding. For this reason I tend to send others on the same route. I am now running Level 5. Good for you. With all the above study I find that what Dennis wrote in TROM is correct and workable technology once you have enough experience with it to understand what the meaning of the words he used is. Unless you are retired on some sort of pension, or you have your cost of living some how covered and can apply yourself to TROM and clearing full time, and at least have some basic scn ( the more the better) it is highly unlikely that anyone will be able to do TROM. And again the more bank one has the more likely a person will not be able to do TROM. The more a person needs clearing the less they will be able to do it. It runs on a relative scale, those who need it the most are least able to do it, and the more those who are more able to do it , need it the least and least likely to do it. This is again ridiculous. You fail to as- is the situation and see the situation in practical terms. You fail to as- is the situation that Dennis was a complex, complicated, clever, cunning, arrogant, conceited , brain fucking asshole. He also had sufficient intelligence, combined with his life time in scn and 1000s of hrs of processing ( doing almost all of the bridge ) to figure out the complex problems of case . And the strange and contradictory situation here is that he still died with significant case, some what similar to Hubbard's situation. It is written that his wife had the song "The saints go marching in" played on his funeral. What a lie! The height of intellectual integrity and perceptual dishonesty. Only when these facts are honestly and thoroughly as -ised, assessed, and evaluated , only then will communication get to be free flowing on this site and in this group. Many people who desperately need processing are stumped and confounded in this group and are afraid to express the facts, for fear of being rebuked, or condemned by some that function like the radical muslims ( fanatical psychotic lunatics ) who kill those who say anything bad about their religion and their Allah. Similar applies to Christians, Jews, Hindus and probably others that I am not aware of. Many people on this list who need clearing in the worst possible way, do not have time to play mind games with Dennis and often the ability to do play those mind games, which often jam up the brain worse. There are many people who need clearing and want to get their minds fixed, and get on with making a living and making a life, or living life. They have the better part of their lives of career and family ahead of them. Nor is it sensible or practical that a person should spend the better part of a lifetime in learning to process, processing and going clear or at least getting sufficiently mentally functionally to carry on a relatively normal life. Communication on this site is very restrained and often dishonest. It is not possible to have an effective or practical clearing practice that is not honest and fully as- ising in communication. I like the way one member articulated and expressed the problem: "making statements that are impossible to respond to". I call them, brain jammers or in plain english which most clearly expresses the problem, brain fuckers. It would be a good idea for a project on this site or better on a separate page or site by those capable, to break down, dissect, untangle, and glean the trom book into key most relevant factors of the clearing process, and non relevant data, and the mind games, traps and locks, in step by step fashion, especially the levels, then rewrite each level in clear language on a suitable gradient . Separate the wheat from the chaff. Take the principles of TROM a write it in professional clear language with the novice student in mind who has no experience in scientology ( that means on practical and easy gradient). Make an outline first of the levels. The key principles and goals of each level, then explain them in lay terms on how to apply them with clear practical and sensible examples of each step. And encourage personal experiences ( success stories) and ideas for improvement and clarification. If data from other tech such as the Sedona method is required to make a workable gradient than do so. Let's be intelligent and do the intelligent thing, that is use all useful knowledge of all those that came before us to our advantage ( that is stand on the shoulders of those that came before us and build a better bridge. Yours truly, David It helps to keep in mind that the terms “must be known” and “must not be known” and “must know” and “must not know” are like the letters X and Y in algebra. They are variables into which you can plug any value. Must Be Known is I am going to create an effect and impose it on someone else. The term Must Not Know is I am not going to allow you to cause that effect on me. Applying these to the sex universe you get. I am going to fuck you opposed by you are not going to fuck me. To find the incidents you need to put up these postulates in opposition and run what turns up. Or you can pose the question to yourself: Have I ever wanted to fuck some one who did not want to be fucked. I tried to write a beginners guide to TROM and while it is not very good I don’t know how to improve it at the moment. Homer Smith also tried to write a better explanation of TROM and his write up is in the Archive. I would be delighted if someone would write the TROM for Dummies book. I will buy a copy. Sincerely Pete List Moderator <image001.gif> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
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