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Dear Martin,
Thank you for your letter.
On 30-Jul-10, at 8:40 PM, Martin Foster wrote:
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Dear David,
I sincerely apologize for being abrupt in a previous communication.
I hope this post lessens some of the confusion you have regarding
TROM: If you find my post sententious - please discard it.
1. TROM is to resolve that depository we call mind.
Yes .
2. It does this by ending the endless game one is engaged in with
one's own mind.
Yes.
3. The games are created within the mind by postulates that are in
conflict.
4. Conflicting postulates have basically twin structures: Yes and No
- Positive and negative. Know - Not Know.
eg. a. Yes I am a good person - No I'm not so good.
b. I can do it - No I can't
c. Maybe is being in between. Maybe I can - maybe I can't.
Didn't know this before.
5. These conflicting postulates create "mass" in the mind and are
energy vampires.
OK.
6. They persist because you make them persist by placing them in
time sequentially. Thus "TIME-BREAKING"
OK.
7. You place them in time sequentially otherwise each event or
incident will be FIRST.
8. Conflicting postulates are contagious and create ridges between
minds.
You mean between two or more people, eh?
9. Attempting to find prior cause for some "importance" in the mind
is an exercise in futility as you reinforce the concept of time in
your mind.
Ok.
10 This in effect will create more and more distance between "NOW"
and "THEN" and still not end the aberration of "time"
Ok.
11. You have set up your mind as an "automaticity" which takes
control because it (the mind) is set up to ensure your survival.
That seems to be false data, upon evaluating that datum, there is
something wrong with it, because how can a screwed up mind ensure
survival?
12. If you attempt to "KNOW" your mind - it kicks in a conflicting
"Not know"
13. If you attempt to "Not know" your mind it kicks in a conflicting
"Must know"
14, Therefore the feeling of never being able to escape the mind.
Well, I more or less get that.
If you disagree with any of the above - please shoot it down in
flames.
If you have passed Level 1 Trom - I take back my suggestion that you
do CCH's -
I am not certain that I know what CCHs means?
I have not done any scn other than a couple of intro courses; ups
and downs and personal values.
Is it book and bottle type exercises? Also called objectives.
Where exercises consist of touching objects to bring a person to
reality. I mention that in more clear language, for the people on
the list who do not know any scn.
The same can be achieved by doing physical work like house cleaning,
making a cake, growing a garden, fixing the car, etc.
If that is the case, I am quite sure that I am well beyond L 1 . I
am quite an able person.
In any event that at least proves one instance where knowing some
scn is necessary to do TROM, and the more the better.
If you feel you need an equivalent CCH solo process - I can e-mail
one to you.
It will be good to have some posted to the list in any event for
others.
If there are particular aspects you want elucidated - cut and paste
and post to the list. Possibly in this fashion we can make TROM
clearer.
Well, that is a start. It does not offer a lot. It is still vague,
cryptic and esoteric. Still lacking in clear language.
There is a serious lack of understanding of what clear language
means from you and many other people in this group who should know
better.
There is an argued and sustained effort by you and others to
dramatize and perpetuate Dennis' brain fucking method of writing and
speaking. And arguing to defend his insanity.
That causes a very strained communications flow.
That is also insanity.
There is another identified type of insanity: Only being intelligent
enough to argue to defend one's insanity, mistakes, sins,
ignorance, stupidity, faults, etc. .
So how can the insane teach or help the insane?
How can the blind lead the blind?
In order to learn something you have to be willing to be wrong.
Such insane matters are not conducive to a healing / clearing
environment.
Here is an example of a clearing process where the author speaks and
writes in almost crystal clear language.
He wants the reader to clearly understand what he is saying.
Read this short site over to get a good idea of what clear language
means.
http://www.1mpv.net/index.php?pid=15
If TROM was written in such a clear language, there would be
millions of people using it.
Dennis writes in a language in which he does not want the reader to
understand.
So to those who have done TROM, read the site over and learn what
clear language means, and apply the clear language writing method
to rewriting TROM.
Regards,
David
With best regards,
Martin
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