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I'm sorry you're not having an optimal experience with TROM and that you're disappointed. I see that there's no point in me trying to refute your response comments. It would only result in you trying, in turn, to refute mine. This "I'm- right-you're-wrong game" is really beneath us (the both of us). I have no intention of playing it. And you're right, there are always other viewpoints than just my own. And yes, I tend to see the matter mostly from my own viewpoint. So do you. Nothing to be gained by discussing this further. Well, that's all I'm going to say on the matter. Good luck to you, and I hope you make further progress with TROM. Harry > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:46:37 -0400 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TROM1] There is an Emperor > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > Well Paul, > > If you read TROM twice like you say and have recall; Dennis said > anyone can do TROM. > > > If you are right in saying that TROM is not for everyone, then you > just proved that Dennis lied. That means that he is a liar. > > > If Dennis is correct that anyone can do TROM, then you did not > understand everything Dennis said, or that you are perceptually > challenged. > > > David > > > PS. > > And while I am at it, I will address Dear Harry's post below: > > On 30-Jul-10, at 12:13 PM, PAaL SOeVIK wrote: > >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> ************ >> Understood the basics of Trom the first time I read the first pages. >> Had to read the whole thing twice to get the details and flavor of it. >> >> It is not for everyone, people should do what works for them. >> >> Keep trom-ing, and forget about the clothes.. >> >> >> >>>> >>>> Man, David, I just can't keep quiet any longer. Judging from >>>> your previous posts (e.g. the one two weeks ago, titled 'A >>>> release'), you are not doing the exercises as they are >>>> described in the book. > > You have a misunderstood about the point of my post: I said it was > not written in understandable language and should be written in clear > language on a suitable gradient. > >>>> If you're not following "Denis's" >>>> style, as you put it, you can't blame it on Denis when you >>>> fall flat on your face because of it. > > See above. > > >>>> I'm sorry man, but >>>> that's the simple truth of the matter. >>>> >>>> TROM is simple. It may not be 'easy' (the biggest problem >>>> being disciplining oneself to just do it, > > > What if a lack of discipline or ability to focus, ( Attention deficit > disorder ) was part of one's case? > > It is apparent that you have very little experience and understanding > the range and variables of case. > >>>> and doing it >>>> regularly), but it is 'simple'. It is not complicated and >>>> hard to understand. > > You are only able to see from your own point of view. And how much > scn bridge did you do? > > and how much case and what type of case do you have? > > ( How much auditing have you done on others, or have had done on > you? ) > > > It appears to be relatively little case or easy case. > > > If that is case then you are not qualified to comment on this matter. > > >>>> True, some of the underlying theory >>>> pertaining to level 5 you'll have to chew on a bit before you >>>> really understand it. But what's level 5 got to do with level >>>> 3? You're on level 3 now, aren't you? > > As far as I can tell I am encountering the symptoms Dennis describes > at the end of L 3. Little or no problems in session but do so in the > real world. > > So I said, I figure, that I am stuck at the end of L3 and > beginning of 4. > >>>> Why is it necessary to >>>> understand level 5 before you can do levels 1-3? Levels 1-3 >>>> are very simple. The commands are very simple. And if you >>>> understand them (they may be hard to grasp because they are >>>> so simple) and you do them, you will have gains and will make >>>> progress. I myself haven't fully understood all of the TROM >>>> manual (mostly some of the level 5 stuff). But that's okay, >>>> because I'm not on level 5 and none of it will prevent me >>>> from doing Levels 1 - 3 properly. If I have a question or I >>>> bog down, I post it on the forum, I ask for help. That's what >>>> the forum is for: for help and support. How are your tirades >>>> help or support? > > >>>> >>>> Putting together a simplified version of TROM as a >>>> 'supplement' (NOT a substitute) to the TROM manual - IF at >>>> all necessary - I would entrust only to someone who has >>>> actually understood TROM thoroughly and in its entirety, who >>>> has done the exercises faithfully as per the instructions in >>>> the manual and has had great wins with them. Are you really >>>> sure you are that person? >>>> >>>> Having He-Man, the master of the universe on this forum, >>>> self-proclaimed saviour who will save us all - that's still >>>> bearable. And who knows, maybe he really is who he says he >>>> is. In which case, good for all those of us who will be saved >>>> come December 2012. >>>> But having someone trash Denis, calling him a 'fucking >>>> asshole', trashing TROM and calling for it to be stripped to >>>> its bare bones, that's just too much, man. That's just a >>>> little too much. I'm sure you can see that. > > > This almost like the extremist Muslims: Don't say anything bad > about our Allah or else! > > I not only spoke for myself, and I actually pan determinedly spoke > more for those who are new to the subject of clearing, and that means > that have not done any scn. > > I doubt if there is one in a 100 public maybe a 1000 that would be > able to understand TROM and do it. While Dennis said that anyone > can do it. > > > > David > > > >>>> >>>> So David, chill out man. I'd rather see you winning with TROM >>>> than running off having had a really bad experience with it. >>>> Really, I do. I want to see you winning all the way. I want >>>> to see you thoroughly completing each level, all the way >>>> until the top of level 5. >>>> I'm sure someone here on this forum will be happy to help you >>>> out if you decide you want to get unbogged and carry on with >>>> actual TROM. It can't be me, as I'm not at Level 3 yet. But >>>> someone will certainly answer your call, should it be an >>>> honest and sincere one. >>>> >>>> But, for Pete's sake (no pun intended), enough with all that >>>> trash talk already! It's not helping in any way. >>>> >>>> So, let's do some TROM, shall we? :-) > > >>>> >>>> Harry >>>> (Still a compulsive games player, as you can see. But I'm >>>> working on it. :-) ) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:30:28 -0400 >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: [TROM1] Fwd: The Emperor has no clothes >>>>> >>>>> ************* >>>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>>> ************ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Trom mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx? >>>> rc=if5 >>>> Capture screenshots, upload images, edit and send them to your >>>> friends >>>> through IMs, post on Twitter®, Facebook®, MySpace?, LinkedIn® ? >>>> FAST! >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ____________________________________________________________ Publish your photos in seconds for FREE TRY IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if4 _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
