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Thanks Pete,
You are right, of course. My frustration level is very high :) I have tried that one on myself a few times before. Does it need another terminal to give the command, or can I give myself the command? When I try it, I see an image of myself, looking at myself from behind myself (as if my viewpoint is a camera watching myself externalizing), and I suspect it's just a mental image. That if I turned around, I wouldn't be able to see anything I didn't already know was there :( Do you have to consciously make your viewpoint correct when exteriorizing, or should it happen automatically and naturally? Also, is the end result, purely a viewpoint from a body exterior location, or is there more to it than that (eg - the feeling that you have some mass or something visual moving along with you). Do you do this with the body's eyes closed, to cut off visual input? I don't remember ever exteriorizing at will in this life, even when under anasthetic and injured. I am stuck well and truly in my body (though I postulate that I am not). Having said that, I do believe that recently I may have exteriorized without realising it, when half asleep or very tired, i have had vivid images of places I knew were real, and felt real at the time (a hotel lobby near the sunbed I was dozing on), and some random streets I had never seen before, which felt very real. Dreams or exteriorizations? And with regard to sensations. Is there a particular way you feel when exterior, so you can distinguish it from a visualisation? My current job is quite high power, and leaves me washed out on my off time very often. One time recently I was lying down, trying to watch TV, and I wanted to move to pick up something, but my body was exhausted, but I felt I had another body that I could move, inside of my physical body, I moved the arms and then got freaked and stopped. Is that an indicator of anything? Or was it just exhaustion? Thanks for the input Pete. Regards, J On 29 November 2010 19:41, Pete McLaughlin <[email protected]> wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > > Hi J > > > > No problem. Be 3 feet back of your head! > > > > Did that work? > > > > If not then you are like the rest of us compulsively playing games and > finding it difficult to quit. > > > > You should start with getting the CCH’s from a competent auditor. It will > take about 40 yours of auditing to get to the end phenomenon of the > processes. > > > > Next you need the self discipline to create the time daily to study and > audit your mind and thus reduce it bit by bit till the remainder is > unimportant enough for you to dump it entirely. > > > > The overwhelm you feel now at dealing with your mind is testament to the > power of your postulates that created it. You will regain that power for > yourself when you release your original postulate to play a game and create > a new one of not playing that game. > > > > I have to study level 5 and develop real world examples of the games I am > playing to recognize when I am compulsively playing a game so I can make the > decision to not play it. > > > > In boot camp your group might have been given an order to put on a 40 pound > pack and hike 40 miles with out stopping. The guy who sneaks a ride to > the finish line in a truck does not win or learn anything. The guys who > hiked the whole way learned that they could do much more than they thought > they could and they were the winners. Dealing with your mind means learning > how to take it apart. Taking a short cut to make it go away for a while is a > losers solution. > > > > Hopefully the command “Be 3 feet back of your head!” worked for you so the > remainder of my email was unnecessary but if not you need to understand that > you have worked very hard to create the games you are compulsively playing > and you will not willingly give them up till you have carefully examined > them one by one and determined that they are causing you more trouble than > they are worth. > > > > Keep on TROMing > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]]*on Behalf Of *me me > *Sent:* Monday, November 29, 2010 9:19 AM > *To:* The Resolution of Mind list > *Subject:* [TROM1] Short Circuit! > > > > I have read TROM multiple times and listened to all of Dennis's tapes > (which I greatly enjoy, the guy is a genius on some level). I hear the words > 'a person wearing a dress' in my sleep sometimes! :) > > > > My trouble is that whenever I start, I just can't seem to run anything. > Part of the problem is that I have very little free time, and what free time > I do have, I seem to spend half comatose recovering from my job. It's quite > a trap, good money, but not quite enough, I've been chasing my tail for 13 > years..(though it has its high points). > > > > What happens whenever I start doing RI or level 2 or whatever, is that I > look into my mind, and there is just nothing coherent there. It's like a > basement closet, full of discarded rubbish that I just can't bring myself to > sort though, don't really care about, and just want to set fire to. > > > > So I end up pushing the closet door shut again, turning the TV on, and > watching CSI. > > > > The point is, I want to short circuit this whole game. I would gladly go > through a week of hell to get clear in a week. I had some natural abilities > in my early life which I have to some extent been able to reawaken as a > result of cognitions while reading the TROM material, Filbert, Lkin and > others (and Hubbard of course). I seem to be able to manage zazen for short > periods, I have intimate knowledge of my bedroom wall. But I don't have the > outflowing compassion needed for buddhism. In fact the whole idea of > compassion seems to me to be arbitrary, contrived, an attempt to control > people. It's a scam. > > > > I feel like I'm close, but do I care about Nirvana? Not really. I want my > native abilities back and I want them now. I postulate that I have them, > that I am clear and I get some key out for a while, but I can't seem to stop > PT crap pouring in. It's 2 steps forward and 1, sometimes 2 steps back. > What's so great about present time anyway? If I want to operate in the past, > or the future, surely that is my choice. I listened to PON, much as I think > Tolle probably had a great experience, he is preachy and limited in outlook, > totally obsessed with the GE, not being able to distinguish it from himself. > > > > There must be a quick and dirty way to do this. Maybe if I zap my brain > with 240 volts:) > > > > I want to short circuit this whole 'game'. I am not suited to internal > reflection, I am action orientated, ex-military (reserves now). I get no > enjoyment out of running procedures on myself, I don't seem to have any > interest in my engrams, why I do what I do etc. I know I won't care about my > original or primal goals or whatever they are. I have the strong feeling > that I've been there and done that, many many times over. Now I just want to > do my own thing. Fully self and pan determine my lives from here on in. > > > > I guess one of my big goals is exteriorization under full control. Simply > because I believe it will help me make the right choices in the Bardo. I > don't want to come back a clean slate and have to go through all this crap > again! Especially not on this forsaken prison planet! > > > > Does anyone know of the mother of all (solo) processes that can be run > without a meter? Or some really good exteriorization drills that really > work? > > > > Sorry for the verbage and rambling! > > > > Best Regards, > > > > J > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > >
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