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HI! LUDO!
THIS IS A VERY CORRECT DEFINITION OF THE STATE OF NIRVANA OR NO GAME
CONDITION!
I REFER TO THE DEFINITION YOU HAVE GUIVEN!
KNOW - BE KNOW!
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Games - Total Freedom (Ludo Vermeulen)
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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 19:10:24 +0200
From: Ludo Vermeulen <[email protected]>
To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]>
Cc: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TROM1] Games - Total Freedom
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Hello to everyone.
Total freedom is a profound happiness, a total satisfaction, a deep
peace of motionless emptiness and pureness that can not be disturbed
or destroyed. The world around you can go mad, but this emptiness
without any need is just there, it does not depend on game sensation
for it's happiness, it has no urge to obtain anything, it just is
all by itself, empty, motionless, timeless space and not even that,
since it is also observing that.
It is not the mind, it is beyond and prior to that. The mind,
thought, emotion, importances, games sensation are all created and
thus imaginary, illusionary, and have no existence beyond the
believe that they exist and the believe they are needed (importance).
It's not that games should be avoided either, that would be an
inhibition and an importance in itself. It's just that they can not
disturb your profound peace, your compassion and love for the whole
universe also, since you recognise it as yourself.
This state is not something that needs to be achieved, it is not a
place to go to, it already is, like the sun is also shining although
it's covered by the clouds. We hide it from ourselves through
identification of our awareness with our thoughts and emotions,
rather than with the space,the emptiness, the nothing in which they
arise. It is one and the same presence in all of us, so when we're
aware of it, we feel not just ourselves, but every living creature
and even the whole universe.
Love, Ludo.
Op 4-okt.-2013 om 09:12 heeft Paul Tipon <[email protected]>
het volgende geschreven:
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Hi Aarre, Antony and All,
I believe and see the discussion of Total Freedom or No Freedom as
a dichotomy with positions of degree between the two as the scale
between the two is traversed. Of course before you can ever get to
a scale, there has to be clarifications of, 'what is Freedom', then
'what is No Freedom' and 'what is Total Freedom'. Seems to me the
difficulty in knowing exactly what those things are has now become
more difficult, more fluid and in the process more, much much more
elusive as one efforts to tie it down and be more specific. It is
more in the realm of: Freedom? What do you want it to be? Bottom
line, it is not exactly definable, obviously, it is not an
absolute. Even if it were, that absolute would be many differences
by the factor of, how many are looking at this 'Freedom' thing.
Dissecting this further, Happiness is a consideration and a state
of mind. One person's happiness is another's sorrow and vice
versa. I leave that component out of the equation because it is an
arbitrary not all related to Freedom.
Just looking at Freedom, it is a relative subjective consideration
too. In fact being truly honest and non-partisan, practically, if
not all somethings other than basic root MEST can be quantified and
therefore scaled into a dichotomy. In other words, the particle is
the root. How big or small the particle is proceeds to set up a
dichotomy between big and small and with further quantizing and
qualifying, one can go all the way to which is better or worse,
desired or not desired, happy or unhappy with the resultant
quantization/qualitization. Once one goes past the basic root, a
particle is a particle, things start to get more and more slippery,
greasy and sticky. The number of definitions also begins to
multiply.
Shakespeare had it right, "To be or not to be" and from there comes
the entire soliloquy of, 'be what?'. (What has been left out is
this discussion is non-physical things but the same applies there
too. It's just so much more simpler to use objects rather than
subjectivities.)
Has anyone recognized that we are in a game of 'what ....' right
here on this thread? It is not recognized as a game because we
have all not gotten past 8A with due to all of the high levels of
ARC.
This then brings me back full circle to 'Importances'. And if one
can get to the point of 'Freedom from Importances', one has then
added a new arrow to one's 'quiver of the abilities', the ability
to exercise 'Free Will' under any circumstances and any reasons not
to exercise one's Freedom of choice.
Are you able to go back to Zero, throwing all data and
considerations aside and do it differently or however you desire it
be done in a new unit of time ... or don't even ever go there
again. Go somewhere entirely new in the realm of objectivities and
subjectivities.
Yes, I have said it before and I will say it again 'Importances'
are the 'Key'. I believe it is a greater discovery by Dennis than
TROM. It can correct difficulties in TROM. TROM is purely a
technology and 'importances' rank above it. They have to in order
to correct TROM problems. A re-ordering of importances can change
one's beingness entirely as well as any and all universes now
extant and any that come about in the future. See the reality and
apply the reality of importances. Do it thoroughly as I have
explained in the past. Get to 'Freedom of Importances' and never
be the same again from any moment to another. Re-order your
'Importances' as you see fit and desire to do so. That is the
thing that no one has ever put a trap on but you and you have done
so simply by missing the importance of 'Importances'.
Paul
On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:51 AM, Aarre Peltomaa wrote:
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Hello Antony,
I agree that the person is happiest when he has a balance of good
goals, freedoms, and barriers. Even Dennis said so himself
also. Thanks for the posting. I do believe that the being
should be able at will to totally turn off games and therefore
have Nirvana (nothingness) anytime he wishes, and then turn games
(therefore the physical universe) back on anytime he wishes; sort
of like turning a light switch on and off. This would be even
better if he can reduce one or the other like one would with a
light dimmer (rheostat). That would be the ultimate in my opinion.
Aarre Peltomaa,
[email protected],
Brampton, Ontario, Canada,
(647) 202-7267
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:50 AM, Ant Phillips
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Dear Trommer,
While we are talking of games, and because some here have been in
connection with Scientology, I wonder if you are aware that L Ron
Hubbard wrote "Only stupid visionaries chant of endless freedom. "
I have recently written a bit about it, which you could see at:
http://www.antology.info/articledetails.php?id_art=24
Good Tromming,
Ant
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