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Me again :-) In regards to compassion, be aware though that it's prior to the illusion of the individual you and others. It emanates out of nothing, your true Self. Love, Ludo. Op 8-okt.-2013 om 08:59 heeft Ludo Vermeulen <[email protected]> het volgende geschreven: > Hi Paul, > > Beautiful, isn't it? Phenomenon too, but a beautiful carpet underneath > experience. > > Love, Ludo. > > Op 8-okt.-2013 om 07:42 heeft Paul Tipon <[email protected]> het > volgende geschreven: > >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> ************ >> Hi Ludo, >> >> I have immense compassion for all of those that I come in contact with as >> well as a compassion in a general context and sense for the collective >> general beings. Yes, I do feel the compassion. It is quite deep and >> strong. I feel it as an outflow, very slightly as an inflow. >> >> Paul >> >> On Oct 7, 2013, at 2:14 AM, Ludo Vermeulen wrote: >> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> Hi Paul, >>> >>> I'm very, very happy for you. Hope you can feel the compassion that >>> pervades the universe. >>> >>> Love, Ludo. >>> >>> Op 7-okt.-2013, om 00:23 heeft Paul Tipon het volgende geschreven: >>> >>>> ************* >>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>> ************ >>>> Hi Ludo, >>>> >>>> Again you are correct. I have gotten to that point where I, through my >>>> own experience realized that the starting point is/was that nothingness. >>>> It is the point that I go towards and then to when I meditate. >>>> >>>> Not until now has someone voiced the same consideration that I have. I >>>> also had not as thoroughly described that state to my self in the terms >>>> you have put it in. Great to have another's knowledge and understanding >>>> of an experienced understanding and truth. >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> On Oct 6, 2013, at 12:48 PM, Ludo Vermeulen wrote: >>>> >>>>> ************* >>>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>>> ************ >>>>> Hi Paul, good to hear from you. >>>>> >>>>> I want to bring to your attention that OBE, astral body, causal body and >>>>> any universe or experience therein, are all phenomena in the mind. Your >>>>> true Self is a state of no phenomena. Beyond the mind means also beyond >>>>> OBE, spiritual or other universe, beyond any conceivable phenomenon. >>>>> >>>>> Your true Self is the nothing that doesn't exist, but creates all >>>>> existence. Closest to it is the deep peace of motionless, timeless >>>>> emptiness. This is the deepest, eternal satisfaction. From there it goes >>>>> down into games, phenomena, universes that are never totally >>>>> satisfactory, unless and untill the deep peace, the emptiness is >>>>> rediscovered, after which it doesn't matter whether simultanuously the >>>>> universes and games are there or not. >>>>> >>>>> Love, Ludo. >>>>> >>>>> Op 6-okt.-2013 om 18:21 heeft Paul Tipon <[email protected]> het >>>>> volgende geschreven: >>>>> >>>>>> ************* >>>>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>>>> ************ >>>>>> Hi Ludo, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm glad to see that you also have discovered the capability of >>>>>> meditation. I have been on this for several years now and had started >>>>>> before I even knew anything about TROM. >>>>>> >>>>>> TROM is a very good procedure for what it is capable of doing, resolving >>>>>> one's mind. The 'mind' does get in the way of meditation and for that >>>>>> matter, it also gets in the way of OBE, (Out of Body Experience). I see >>>>>> meditation and then OBE as upper level work to take one from beyond the >>>>>> mind and into the spiritual, from the pure physical to the non-physical >>>>>> and then to understanding of the physical and non-physical and the >>>>>> relationship of the two. >>>>>> >>>>>> One cannot truly experience and learn from the spiritual/non-physical >>>>>> universe until one has eliminated the constraints, controls and >>>>>> aberrations of the 'mind'. >>>>>> >>>>>> Meditation and OBE are natural to one's continuation of knowledge and >>>>>> understanding once one has completed Level 5 and TROM. It is not >>>>>> necessary to have completed TROM before one can reap the gains of >>>>>> meditation. I believe it is a necessity before one can OBE >>>>>> advantageously. >>>>>> >>>>>> Paul >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 6, 2013, at 8:03 AM, Ludo Vermeulen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> ************* >>>>>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>>>>> ************ >>>>>>> Hi Alberto, thanks for the confirmation. Life is bliss. All is well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I want to add that I've been living and breathing the method of self >>>>>>> inquiry and meditation from the morning till the evening for the past 4 >>>>>>> months and it is very powerful. For those of you who might be >>>>>>> interested there's plenty of material freely available on the internet >>>>>>> in pdf form and also youtube video's. Check for Lester Levenson, Robert >>>>>>> Adams, Ramana Maharshi, Mooji. It's a very ancient Vedic practice and >>>>>>> these guys knew what they were talking about. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've also discovered the power of listening to mantra's such as om, om >>>>>>> mani padme om and others. The repetitive character and the vibrations >>>>>>> of the music really fill the emptiness in you with compassion for >>>>>>> yourself and life in general. There's a few on youtube that are really >>>>>>> working well for me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And finally - and some of you may think this doesn't make any sense at >>>>>>> all, and it doesn't, but it works - there is a mountain in India, where >>>>>>> Ramana Maharshi lived, called Arunachala, and the Vedic scriptures say >>>>>>> that if you look at this mountain you will find Self realization. And I >>>>>>> have found that looking at it gives you peace and starts to >>>>>>> desintegrate your mind. I know it sounds like total nonsense, but it >>>>>>> isn't. >>>>>>> There's pictures of it on Ramana's site. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> These are all really helpful for identifying with the Self instead of >>>>>>> the mind. So I thought it might be of help to some of you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wish you all the best. Love, Ludo. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Op 5-okt.-2013 om 22:04 heeft [email protected] het volgende >>>>>>> geschreven: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ************* >>>>>>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>>>>>> ************ >>>>>>>> HI! LUDO! >>>>>>>> THIS IS A VERY CORRECT DEFINITION OF THE STATE OF NIRVANA OR NO GAME >>>>>>>> CONDITION! >>>>>>>> I REFER TO THE DEFINITION YOU HAVE GUIVEN! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> KNOW - BE KNOW! >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
