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Hi Ludo,
Again you are correct. I have gotten to that point where I, through
my own experience realized that the starting point is/was that
nothingness. It is the point that I go towards and then to when I
meditate.
Not until now has someone voiced the same consideration that I have.
I also had not as thoroughly described that state to my self in the
terms you have put it in. Great to have another's knowledge and
understanding of an experienced understanding and truth.
Paul
On Oct 6, 2013, at 12:48 PM, Ludo Vermeulen wrote:
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Hi Paul, good to hear from you.
I want to bring to your attention that OBE, astral body, causal
body and any universe or experience therein, are all phenomena in
the mind. Your true Self is a state of no phenomena. Beyond the
mind means also beyond OBE, spiritual or other universe, beyond any
conceivable phenomenon.
Your true Self is the nothing that doesn't exist, but creates all
existence. Closest to it is the deep peace of motionless, timeless
emptiness. This is the deepest, eternal satisfaction. From there it
goes down into games, phenomena, universes that are never totally
satisfactory, unless and untill the deep peace, the emptiness is
rediscovered, after which it doesn't matter whether simultanuously
the universes and games are there or not.
Love, Ludo.
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Hi Ludo,
I'm glad to see that you also have discovered the capability of
meditation. I have been on this for several years now and had
started before I even knew anything about TROM.
TROM is a very good procedure for what it is capable of doing,
resolving one's mind. The 'mind' does get in the way of
meditation and for that matter, it also gets in the way of OBE,
(Out of Body Experience). I see meditation and then OBE as upper
level work to take one from beyond the mind and into the
spiritual, from the pure physical to the non-physical and then to
understanding of the physical and non-physical and the
relationship of the two.
One cannot truly experience and learn from the spiritual/non-
physical universe until one has eliminated the constraints,
controls and aberrations of the 'mind'.
Meditation and OBE are natural to one's continuation of knowledge
and understanding once one has completed Level 5 and TROM. It is
not necessary to have completed TROM before one can reap the gains
of meditation. I believe it is a necessity before one can OBE
advantageously.
Paul
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Hi Alberto, thanks for the confirmation. Life is bliss. All is well.
I want to add that I've been living and breathing the method of
self inquiry and meditation from the morning till the evening for
the past 4 months and it is very powerful. For those of you who
might be interested there's plenty of material freely available
on the internet in pdf form and also youtube video's. Check for
Lester Levenson, Robert Adams, Ramana Maharshi, Mooji. It's a
very ancient Vedic practice and these guys knew what they were
talking about.
I've also discovered the power of listening to mantra's such as
om, om mani padme om and others. The repetitive character and the
vibrations of the music really fill the emptiness in you with
compassion for yourself and life in general. There's a few on
youtube that are really working well for me.
And finally - and some of you may think this doesn't make any
sense at all, and it doesn't, but it works - there is a mountain
in India, where Ramana Maharshi lived, called Arunachala, and the
Vedic scriptures say that if you look at this mountain you will
find Self realization. And I have found that looking at it gives
you peace and starts to desintegrate your mind. I know it sounds
like total nonsense, but it isn't.
There's pictures of it on Ramana's site.
These are all really helpful for identifying with the Self
instead of the mind. So I thought it might be of help to some of
you.
Wish you all the best. Love, Ludo.
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HI! LUDO!
THIS IS A VERY CORRECT DEFINITION OF THE STATE OF NIRVANA OR NO
GAME CONDITION!
I REFER TO THE DEFINITION YOU HAVE GUIVEN!
KNOW - BE KNOW!
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