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Beautiful, isn't it? Phenomenon too, but a beautiful carpet underneath experience. Love, Ludo. Op 8-okt.-2013 om 07:42 heeft Paul Tipon <[email protected]> het volgende geschreven: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > Hi Ludo, > > I have immense compassion for all of those that I come in contact with as > well as a compassion in a general context and sense for the collective > general beings. Yes, I do feel the compassion. It is quite deep and strong. > I feel it as an outflow, very slightly as an inflow. > > Paul > > On Oct 7, 2013, at 2:14 AM, Ludo Vermeulen wrote: > >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> ************ >> Hi Paul, >> >> I'm very, very happy for you. Hope you can feel the compassion that pervades >> the universe. >> >> Love, Ludo. >> >> Op 7-okt.-2013, om 00:23 heeft Paul Tipon het volgende geschreven: >> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> Hi Ludo, >>> >>> Again you are correct. I have gotten to that point where I, through my own >>> experience realized that the starting point is/was that nothingness. It is >>> the point that I go towards and then to when I meditate. >>> >>> Not until now has someone voiced the same consideration that I have. I >>> also had not as thoroughly described that state to my self in the terms you >>> have put it in. Great to have another's knowledge and understanding of an >>> experienced understanding and truth. >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> On Oct 6, 2013, at 12:48 PM, Ludo Vermeulen wrote: >>> >>>> ************* >>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>> ************ >>>> Hi Paul, good to hear from you. >>>> >>>> I want to bring to your attention that OBE, astral body, causal body and >>>> any universe or experience therein, are all phenomena in the mind. Your >>>> true Self is a state of no phenomena. Beyond the mind means also beyond >>>> OBE, spiritual or other universe, beyond any conceivable phenomenon. >>>> >>>> Your true Self is the nothing that doesn't exist, but creates all >>>> existence. Closest to it is the deep peace of motionless, timeless >>>> emptiness. This is the deepest, eternal satisfaction. From there it goes >>>> down into games, phenomena, universes that are never totally satisfactory, >>>> unless and untill the deep peace, the emptiness is rediscovered, after >>>> which it doesn't matter whether simultanuously the universes and games are >>>> there or not. >>>> >>>> Love, Ludo. >>>> >>>> Op 6-okt.-2013 om 18:21 heeft Paul Tipon <[email protected]> het >>>> volgende geschreven: >>>> >>>>> ************* >>>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>>> ************ >>>>> Hi Ludo, >>>>> >>>>> I'm glad to see that you also have discovered the capability of >>>>> meditation. I have been on this for several years now and had started >>>>> before I even knew anything about TROM. >>>>> >>>>> TROM is a very good procedure for what it is capable of doing, resolving >>>>> one's mind. The 'mind' does get in the way of meditation and for that >>>>> matter, it also gets in the way of OBE, (Out of Body Experience). I see >>>>> meditation and then OBE as upper level work to take one from beyond the >>>>> mind and into the spiritual, from the pure physical to the non-physical >>>>> and then to understanding of the physical and non-physical and the >>>>> relationship of the two. >>>>> >>>>> One cannot truly experience and learn from the spiritual/non-physical >>>>> universe until one has eliminated the constraints, controls and >>>>> aberrations of the 'mind'. >>>>> >>>>> Meditation and OBE are natural to one's continuation of knowledge and >>>>> understanding once one has completed Level 5 and TROM. It is not >>>>> necessary to have completed TROM before one can reap the gains of >>>>> meditation. I believe it is a necessity before one can OBE >>>>> advantageously. >>>>> >>>>> Paul >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 6, 2013, at 8:03 AM, Ludo Vermeulen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> ************* >>>>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>>>> ************ >>>>>> Hi Alberto, thanks for the confirmation. Life is bliss. All is well. >>>>>> >>>>>> I want to add that I've been living and breathing the method of self >>>>>> inquiry and meditation from the morning till the evening for the past 4 >>>>>> months and it is very powerful. For those of you who might be interested >>>>>> there's plenty of material freely available on the internet in pdf form >>>>>> and also youtube video's. Check for Lester Levenson, Robert Adams, >>>>>> Ramana Maharshi, Mooji. It's a very ancient Vedic practice and these >>>>>> guys knew what they were talking about. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've also discovered the power of listening to mantra's such as om, om >>>>>> mani padme om and others. The repetitive character and the vibrations of >>>>>> the music really fill the emptiness in you with compassion for yourself >>>>>> and life in general. There's a few on youtube that are really working >>>>>> well for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> And finally - and some of you may think this doesn't make any sense at >>>>>> all, and it doesn't, but it works - there is a mountain in India, where >>>>>> Ramana Maharshi lived, called Arunachala, and the Vedic scriptures say >>>>>> that if you look at this mountain you will find Self realization. And I >>>>>> have found that looking at it gives you peace and starts to desintegrate >>>>>> your mind. I know it sounds like total nonsense, but it isn't. >>>>>> There's pictures of it on Ramana's site. >>>>>> >>>>>> These are all really helpful for identifying with the Self instead of >>>>>> the mind. So I thought it might be of help to some of you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wish you all the best. Love, Ludo. >>>>>> >>>>>> Op 5-okt.-2013 om 22:04 heeft [email protected] het volgende >>>>>> geschreven: >>>>>> >>>>>>> ************* >>>>>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>>>>> ************ >>>>>>> HI! LUDO! >>>>>>> THIS IS A VERY CORRECT DEFINITION OF THE STATE OF NIRVANA OR NO GAME >>>>>>> CONDITION! >>>>>>> I REFER TO THE DEFINITION YOU HAVE GUIVEN! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> KNOW - BE KNOW! > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
