Blainer) Ah, a man after my own thoughts and heart. Dave, the words of CS Lewis struck me as inspired, making me feel inspired. And thank you for the legwork in finding the scriptures I alluded to. I wanted Laura to see them, they are so beautiful and definitive, so much so I see no reason for Laura not to have her heart completely turned.
Which reminds me, below is a Mormon missionary prayer I heard while I was on a mission at the Joseph Smith Memorial Building in Salt Lake City: "May those who love us, love us, And those who do not love us, May their hearts be turned. And if their hearts cannot be turned, May they turn their ankles, That we may know them by their limping." (:>) (:>) On Sun, 06 Oct 2002 22:53:09 -0700 Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > � > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/6/2002 10:31:03 PM Central Daylight Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > � > > � > > > >> )� Seems logical to me that if I become like him, that is just > >> another way of saying I will become a God.�� I always like to > point > >> out > >> that I will still be subordinate to Him, however--that he will > >> always be > >> my God. > > > > Can you back that up with scripture?� BIBLE type scripture. > > > > Did He not pray once that those who were his disciples might become > > one > > with him as he was one with the Father? > > I thought that meant that we were praying in agreement with Him -� > as > > one in spirit. > > DAVEH:� It is more than "praying in agreement", Laura.� The Lord > wants > us to become like him....."Be ye therefore perfect, even as your > Father > which is in heaven is perfect."� (Mt 5:48)��� And the glory Jesus > (who > is perfect) received from his Father, he will give to us....... > > "And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may > be > one, even as we are one:� I in them, and thou in me, that THEY MAY BE > MADE PERFECT in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent > me, > and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me."� (Jn 17:22-23) > > .......It is clear that whatever glory the Father and Son are to > have, > we are to have also.� And, it is clear that in whatever sense the > Father > and Son are "one", we are to be one with them too........ > > "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, > that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou > hast sent me."� (Jn 17-21) > > ........I might add that vs 11 explains who he is talking about...... > > "And now I am no more in the world, but THESE ARE IN THE WORLD, and I > come to thee, Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom > thou > hast given me, that THEY MAY BE ONE, AS WE ARE." > > .......So Laura, contrary to the popular Trinitarian belief (if I > understand it correctly) that the Father, Son and HG are one in > Trinity > alone, it seems that we are to be an equal part of that oneness. > > > �I never have heard anyone say it meant literally become one with > Him. > > DAVEH:� The "oneness" is the implication that we too will become as > God. > > > Anyone else have a comment on this one? > > DAVEH:� Sure......CS Lewis said something I think is > pertinent........ > > "The command BE YE PERFECT is not idealistic gas.� Nor is it a > command > to do the impossible.� He is going to make us into creatures that can > obey that command.� He said (in the Bible) that we were "gods" and > He is > going to make good His words.� If we let Him-----for we can prevent > Him, > if we choose----He will make the feeblest and filthiest of us into a > god > or goddess, dazzling radiant, immortal creature, pulsating, all > through > with such energy and joy and wisdom and love as we cannot now > imagine, a > bright stainless mirror which reflects back to God perfectly.....His > own > boundless power and delight and goodness.� The process will be long > and > in parts very painful; but that is what we are in for.� Nothing > less.� > He meant what He said." > > > Laura > > � > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Dave Hansen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.langlitz.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > � ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
