Re: [TruthTalk] Thus saith YahShua

[michael douglas]

 

 Marlin Halverson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Dear Michael D.,

 

Just for the record, I do not say the following as you claim:

 

You say: ...Keep the yoke

You say:... Don't cast her out, we need her to help Jesus.

You say: ...We are still in the law, although we have Christ

You say: ...We are not [dead to the law]

You say ...Not so [Paul says: ...If I go back under the law I make myself a transgressor]

You say: ...It is. [Righteousness...not by the law]

 

Obviously, you do not understand what I have said. 

 

Michael D: Marlin, The fact that you say that we need to keep sabbaths, and refrain from eating 'unclean' meats etc, tells me that you implicitly hold to those statements above. Even in cases where you may not say them literally. I just articulated what the positions you have been expounding entail.

 

Explain this to me if you will. If the Holy Ghost said not to put the yoke of the law on the disciples, how can you then say we have to keep the law? Or am I misunderstanding you when I understand you to be saying that? Can you clarify?

 

I do not know that you can understand. 

There comes a point where I just have to leave this in God's hands. 

I have obviously failed to edify you and I apologize.

 

 

Michael D:  Marlin, do you agree that Paul said that the law was added till Jesus should come as stated in Galatians 4. And that now that He has come we are no longer under a schoolmaster (the law)?

 

If so, how come you are still requiring adherence to the law?

 

 

I pray that the Lord will teach you as He sees fit. I do want Him to teach me and bring me into the knowledge of all truth... I thank Him for what he has already been able to teach me. I pray He will teach you too the riches of Christ and Him crucified.

 

 

Love,

 

Marlin

----- Original Message -----

From: michael douglas

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:18 AM

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Thus saith YahShua

 Marlin Halverson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Do you therefore think that Paul is calling God a liar?

 

Michael D: Come again Marlin... I need you to explain what you mean here, if you will.

 

 

Those who reject God's law may read things into some of the writings of Paul, especially if certain passages are subtracted from the rest of scripture.  Peter warned of those who wrest the scriptures in this way. 

 

Michael D: Marlin, it is clear that you do not understand how faith works for justification and our continuous walk with God. The very thing you say below, is clear in many of our eyes as applying to you. You don't grasp the transition from the old to the new.  The new and living way does not come home to you at all. I have shown you scripture after scripture and you refuse to see them for what they say.

Peter said: ...No one should put a yoke upon the disciples that the Jews themselves were not able to bear. 

You say: ...Keep the yoke

Paul says: ...Cast out he bondwoman and her son.

You say:... Don't cast her out, we need her to help Jesus.

Paul says: ...Whatever the law says, it says to them that are under  the law, and that those in Christ are not under the law

You say: ...We are still in the law, although we have Christ

Paul says: ...We are dead to the law

You say: ...We are not

Paul says: ...If I go back under the law I make myself a transgressor

You say ...Not so

Paul says: ...Righteousness is not by the law

You say: ...It is.

 

You and the Bible are at serious odds with each other. The reason there is a new covenant, is because there was a change from the old to the new. The strong statements made by the apostles concerning the unprofitableness of the old is to convince and to rebuke those who would still seek to hold on to the old in the presence of the new. Those who put their faith in Christ as the fulfilment of all that the old required, are now free to walk in newness of life.

 

Paul's accusers also claimed that Paul was teaching against God's law.  Paul went to great lengths to show the opposite. True. He was actually teaching the fulfilment of God's law by Christ. He did it for us, so now Paul says, cast it out, it is no longer operative for righteousness. In fact, he said it was not made for the righteous, but for sinners. He stressed in II Cor 5:21 that Christ was made to me sin for us that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. As Paul stresses, we are complete in Him. If you want one part of the law, you are adebtor to abey all of it. No exceptions.

 

I for one use addition to understand the whole of the Word of God, not subtraction. You will be lost for truth, if you don't understand fulfilment and transition.

 

--Marlin

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