Izzy wrote: > David, You are going to confuse me if you > don't differentiate between whether you are > talking about today (NT times) or OT times. > I assumed you were talking about today. > Are these all going to be trick questions?
LOL. I did not mean to make it a "trick question." The fact that you are asking for a designation of "NT times" or "OT times" is revealing that something is not consistent with how you apply the Torah laws to today. Do you accept the idea of two covenants? Do you recognize that the Ten Commandments are part of the Old Covenant for OT times and not part of the New Covenant for NT times? David Miller wrote: >> Can you explain your answer? Even if you >> consider Bill a murderer, is that worse than >> Sabbath breaking? Both are capital offenses, >> so what would make one worse than the other? >> Wouldn't it be worse to sin against God rather >> than sinning against your neighbor? Izzy wrote: > I can't explain why God had certain rules and > regs in the OT. My comment was concerning what you said, that murder was worse than breaking the Sabbath. I think I understand why God had certain rules and regs in the OT, but I'm not sure that you do. The law was for the purpose of teaching us. It was our school master. Now we obtain righteousness by faith in Christ, not by obeying the Ten Commandments. We fulfill the requirements of the Ten Commandments in spirit, when we walk in love. Please review Romans 10:1-13. Izzy wrote: > Phillip Brown explains it this way: > The law teaches us that sin brings death. > ... you can generally determine atonement > from sin by looking at the penalty. ... > If the penalty was death, it was sin. > ... I was able to see a clear distinction > between acts of sin, and acts that bring > atonement from sin. Most of the acts of > sins that bring death can be easily related > to one of the ten commandments. > > ... On the other hand, there were many acts > that you did so that you didn't die. The wording > was always clear. These were acts you did for > atonement of sin. > ... > They were always acts done specifically for > atonement; to avoid the death for sins that > do carry the death penalty. That is why they > were abolished when Christ was crucified. > Christ is now our atonement, these older things > were but shadows of Christ's atonement. His thinking does not hold up here. Not circumcising was a death penalty sin, and even eating leavened bread during the feast of unleavened bread was a death penalty sin (Ex. 12:15,19). God killed those who offered incense as an offering when he did not command it to be done that way (Numbers 3), and in Numbers 15 & Lev. 4, it is clear that presumptuous sins were never forgiven, even in regard to dietary and ceremonial laws. With regard to the ten commandments, stealing was not a death penalty sin unless it was kidnapping, and lying was not always a death penalty sin either. So the bottom line is that the author is trying to make a connection that does not exist. Izzy wrote: > All I know is that in my heart I feel convicted > if I don't keep the Sabbath, whereas I don't feel > convicted to keep the OT festivals and food rules. > I don't criticize those who do, but I don't think > it is necessary. Really? Do you feel convicted if you go outside and pick up some firewood for the fireplace on a Saturday morning when people in the house are cold? If you pulled the husk from an ear of corn for supper on Saturday at 4:00 pm instead of at 9:00 pm after the sun went down, would you feel convicted? Do you feel that those who pick up some sticks of wood on a Saturday morning should be executed right away? Do you feel that you and other neighbors should be the one killing the Sabbath breaker? If not, then you are not Torah observant. Izzy wrote: > Does this answer your question? We need to talk more about Sabbath observance. Do you think that you follow the Sabbath in the way the Torah talks about it? Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida USA ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
