� David Miller wrote:
> DAVEH: > > Hmmmmm......and what do YOU perceive to be my > > "heart", DavidM??? > > I think you are a very secure and serious Mormon DAVEH:� I've always thought such too. > who enjoys listening to > Protestants try and defend viewpoints that don't make much sense to you. DAVEH:� Hmmmmm......I don't know if that is totally correct.� Many discussions you guys have amongst yourselves simply don't interest me, which (besides a lack of time) is why I don't participate on them. > :-)� I think you miss having someone like Glenn around here to entertain > you.� :-) DAVEH:�� LOL......BINGO!�� With Brother Glenn so quiet lately, and Carrol bailed out long ago......it leaves me with an empty feeling.�� Perry is trying hard to fill the gap, but he's been pretty easy on me so far.��� :-) > DaveH wrote: > > Furthermore.......I'm not quite sure why being polite > > (at least that is how I perceive 'polished' should be > > defined in this instance) is a problem.� Would other > > TTers prefer I be obnoxiously offensive in my posts? > > No, we don't want obnoxious, but polished can mean a little bit more > than just polite.� You are polite almost to a fault. DAVEH:� ?!??!?!� You are perplexing me, DavidM! > �That's my own > personal take.� Some might find you just right.� Sometimes people are so > polite and can speak so correctly that you really don't know what they > really think inside.� Do you know what I mean? DAVEH:� No.� I've always tried to be outspoken as to what I believe.� I know others sometimes don't want to accept that though.� You once tried to draw a judgment from me that required me to judge whether or not you are a prophet.� If I were to bet money on it, I'd guess the odds would pay against you.� But I'm not a betting man, and I don't like being in the judgment seat....so, whether or not you are a prophet I'd rather not draw a conclusion at this time.� It is just easier to let you claim as you wish until it is time for me to place my bets.� Perhaps that is why some folks have trouble reading me.� Does that make sense, DavidM? > DAVEH: > > I'm bewildered at that, DavidM.� How can being > > polite be offensive?� What is it I do that would/could > > offend another.� I have bent over backwards to be > > respectfully polite and courteous, I think. > > Come on, Dave.� Take yourself out of the picture for a minute.� Can't > you imagine someone who is so polite and sugar coated that it becomes > simply obnoxious? DAVEH:� I've always imagined Jesus to be like that.� There were times when he wasn't so polite, as in the Temple chastising the money changers.� However, I'm not Jesus.� Nor do I feel compelled (yet) to exercise righteous indignation.� I can't even imagine condemning one of my Brothers or Sisters to hell, regardless of their faults.� I'll leave that to the Lord.� In the meantime, I have enough on my plate just learning to forgive those who wrong me. > �If so, then just imagine that you tend to lean toward > that end of politeness.� Don't get me wrong.� I would rather you be > leaning a little bit that way rather than toward the angry and impolite > side, DAVEH:� It seems to me that your street preaching background makes you comfortable in the confrontational environment.� I'm just the opposite.� I never understood why some folks like to practice 'get in your face' religion.� There must be some kind of thrill or satisfaction in wielding the sword of God that causes SPers to enjoy doing battle with the forces of evil.� Maybe that's why I bother some folks.....I don't react as others do when confronted by preachy Protestants. > but if you are wanting to understand why some people are offended > by you, I think it does lie in this polished veneer that causes them to > misjudge you at first. DAVEH:� That seems like their problem, rather than mine. > Personally, I like people that are not afraid to say upfront what they > think.� Others often find such individuals obnoxious, but I especially > like them because I can see exactly where they are at. > �So even though I > might say you are a little too polite sometimes, don't change on my > account.� I tend to be biased toward those who are frank. DAVEH:� Of all people, I thought you understood me to the core.� I guess I just don't understand why I am so hard to read.� I've made no secret of my LDS biases and proclivities.� I don't understand what it is I say or do that makes other TTers misunderstand my existence in TT.� Apparently some may think that there is no room in TT for any opinions/believes other than their own.� But you have corrected that misconception numerous times.� I've remained (to some's discomfort) in TT because I'm very comfortable here.� Perhaps others mistakenly think that comfort can only be found amongst those in agreement.� Maybe they are right to some extent, and my comfort is simply a false sense of security.� Hmmmmmm......I suppose my comfort could cause the discomfort of others.� I'll have to ponder that.� Just thinking outloud.......And, now I'm beginning to ramble.... > �Furthermore, > there are some on TruthTalk that need to be much more like you in this > regard. DAVEH:� Hmmmmm.....I've been thinking about inviting Brother Glenn to our LDS Course on Political Politness.....Do you think he'd go willingly, or am I going to have to hog-tie him?!?!?!?!��� <VBG> > �So you do serve as an example for all of us in this matter. > Far be it from me to corrupt that good example.� :-) > > DAVEH: > > Other TTer's have alluded to my ignorance.� If I > > were to rebut their comments, it would be easy for > > them to point out specific instances of my ignorance > > Unfortunately, I think those who did simply wanted to offend you. DAVEH:� I agree.� Furthermore, I find that an odd characteristic for a Christian.� Why do some feel the need to make others feel uncomfortable in such a manner?� To me it seems a little unChristian, and counter productive.� If I want to convert somebody to my way of thinking, I don't think being offensive would be a tactic I'd chose to use.� If anything, slinging mud can get the slinger dirtier than the target. > �I do > not think you should rebut such comments. DAVEH:�� I've not always followed that advice.� That's one place that can be fun to visit!�� ;-) > David Miller wrote: > > I think some might even think you are considering > > leaving Mormonism. > > DAVEH: > > LOL.....Are you serious???� Is there anybody > > in TT who really believes that?!?!?!?! > > Not after they have had some interaction with you, but at first, yes, I > think many on TruthTalk thought at first that perhaps you were. DAVEH:� Don't you find their reactions curious then?� I find it interesting that some folks get so bent out of shape when others don't jump when the snap their fingers? > DAVEH: > > You are a classic example of what I explained above, > > DavidM.� It doesn't seem to matter what I say in TT, > > you too apparently have assumed otherwise.� Let me state > > this FTR ONCE AGAIN:� I am not in TT to find an > > excuse to leave the LDS Church. > > You are misunderstanding me.� I don't think you are looking for a reason > to leave the LDS.� I don't think I have ever thought that, but it does > seem to me that some TruthTalkers thought that about you at first. DAVEH:� Hmmmmmm......perhaps you should add another tag line to each post....... "Beware of the Mormon Boy who has no intentions of changing."�� <VBG> > When I say that I thought you were interested in Truth, that means being > interested in evidence even if it might shake your current paradigm in > life.� For example, if there was some clear evidence that shook my > Creationist beliefs, or something that seemed to shake my concept of > Jesus Christ, or the early church, etc., I would be on top of that > information like a bull dog on a bone.� Your lack of interest in the > Book of Abraham material surprised me because my expectation was that > you would be curious to consider the matter. DAVEH:� We obviously have different buttons that stimulate out inquisitive minds.� Perry and I have been having a related discussion off-forum.� If somebody were to attack your belief/faith in Jesus, you evidently would welcome it.� I'm the opposite.� I don't have a lot of time to chase such frivolous pursuits (from my perspective).� Because I have a fair amount of faith, if others want to challenge my belief in Jesus, I just yawn and get on with my life.� Because of my faith in the Lord, I have no interest in listening to a Muslim try to convert me away from my beliefs. ��� On the other hand, I suspect you would take delight in having a Muslim try to convert you away from Christianity, as it would give you an opportunity to try to convert him.� Perhaps I should think more like you, eh! > I didn't mean that I > thought you were looking for a reason to leave Mormonism. > > DAVEH: > > You make it sound like it is my fault other TTers > > think we are a cult.� That has been preached by > > Protestants who are apprehensive of Mormonism for > > well over a century. > > I have encountered Mormons in other situations and have had Bible > studies with them, visited their meetings, prayed with them, etc.� But > no Mormon has interacted with me as much as you have. DAVEH:� I'm curious.....how did those other LDS folks behave?� Were they courteous and polite in their disagreements with you?� Maybe the Church has that effect on it's adherents......� I'm sure there are rowdy Mormons, but I don't see them.� However, I'm not in an adversarial position with them, so I probably wouldn't see that side of them. > �In those other > situations, we are talking about maybe a few weeks or maybe a month at > the most before we no longer talk to each other.� In this forum, I have > been discussing with you for years.� I realize that we have never met, > but there is no doubt in my mind that no Mormon has influenced me more > about what Mormonism is than you have. > > Other Protestants have labeled Mormonism as a cult, but most of them > misrepresent certain aspects of Mormon teaching, and in those areas > where they have not, there is simply nothing so persuasive as getting it > straight from the horses mouth as they say. DAVEH:� I agree.� And as I have stated before, that is another reason I am in TT......to answer questions about LDS theology in an effort to dispel misunderstandings. > I must admit one thing, and > that is that Blaine exposed more serious aspects about Mormonism's > cultish behavior than you have, DAVEH:� I'll copy this to Blaine.....perhaps we can persuade him to return!�� :-) > but his stay here was somewhat short, so > I still consider you the primary influence in my life for understanding > Mormonism. DAVEH:� Now you are placing a burden on my shoulders.� I'm now going to be concerned that I'm misrepresenting the Church!� That's what's nice about having another Mormon here....we can correct misstatements. > DaveH wrote: > > Look at how many books in your library have branded > > us as a cult! > > Dave, I think you misunderstand the nature of my reading.� I don't have > more than a few books that might label Mormonism a cult. DAVEH:� I've never seen your library, so I'm strictly guessing on this based on the Protestant material I've seen that labels us as a cult.� Walk into any Christian bookstore and ask to see the books on Mormonism.� I'd be very surprised if you'll find any of our Standard Works there.� But from my experience, there are a lot of books written about cults, and we are in most of them. > �Most of my > Mormon books are written by Mormons in favor of Mormonism, by authors > like Joseph Smith, B.H. Roberts, Lucy Mack Smith, and John Gee.� There > are a few on the other side, such as Larson's book about the Book of > Abraham, but they are definitely in the minority. DAVEH:�� LOL.......Hmmmmm........you must have a very small library.....and it sounds like it may be predominantly pro-Mormon!� I've got far more anti-Mormon books than you have pro-Mormon!!! ��� It's been fun chatting with you, DavidM.....thanx! > Peace be with you. > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF and MOTORCYCLE. � ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
