Well,
Dave, at least we finally learn you DO have a temper!
DAVEH:
Once again you have shown your inability to perceive truth, Izzy.
Despite what you may think, I have NOT lost my temper. It simply
is not in my nature to lose my temper. But, thank you for assuming
you have provoked me. Nothing could be further from the truth.....which
again demonstrates why I am not in TT to learn truth from you.
Perhaps you have not read my recent posts. Or....perhaps having read
them, you failed to understand them. I'll give you the benefit of
the doubt and explain why I am posting as I have to you and Perry.
DavidM suggested that in order to make some (you, Perry, g and perhaps
others) more comfortable with my LDS biased presence in TT, I need to change
the way I post my responses to you folks. I perceived he wanted me
to dull the polish so to speak, and eliminate the respectful language in
order not to 'offend' you folks.
So.....tonight
I've endeavored to change the wording of my posts to make you folks happier.
Is it working???
Unfortunately,
it is depressing me. I feel not only very extrememly uncomfortable
speaking like this, but I also feel.......well.......rather slimey........and,
dirty.......and.......ahhhhhh.......welllllll.....like a Protestant.
I would be embarressed if another Mormon were to read my posts today and
think I'm really like this. If my Mom were to read this, she'd probably
want to wash my typing fingers with lye soap! IMHO, what I've posted
today is not proper Christian behavior. Even though it may be acceptable
behavior on TT, I regret participating in it as I have today, and hope
other TTers will forgive me for bowing to the whims of others.
Ya
know Iz, I didn't join TT to become like you Protestant folks. And
now that I've taken a step closer, I feel ashamed to think I've jumped
down to this level of degradation. Do you think I feel some
satisfaction in this.....Let me tell you that I don't. I'd much prefer
to be my real self than some loathsome form of TT creature that was created
to satisfy others' baser desires. Do you feel better now that I'm
becoming more like you, Izzy?
I
don't think the Spirit of the Lord is with me when I feel like this.
Nor do I think the Lord wants me to be like this. So I have to ask
myself if I want to continue in this manner, or if I should return to my
old TT self. Any thoughts from you, Izzy? (Or from other TTers???)
I figured I'd try it for a day or so and see what it's like. I'm
curious to see how I'll feel about it tomorrow though. I'd like to
revert back, but if you folks want me to continue posting like this, I'll
probably give it a few more days to see if I can get used to it.
Note
to DavidM......Is this really the way you want me to present myself on
TT???
(However,
I forgive you if you forgive me for provoking you.) But I guess we will
continue to disagree about whether mormons know the real Jesus, or a figment
of J.Smith?s imagination. Izzy
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ShieldsFamily
wrote:
Oh,
thanks Dave H, for making it perfectly clear?NOW I GET IT!
DAVEH:
I've got to ask, Izzy.....Why did you not understand this from the first
time I said I wasn't in TT to learn truth? Did you honestly think
I didn't mean what I said? I really am tiring of others like yourself
putting words in my mouth. You don't have to believe what I say,
but please stop claiming I said things I didn't say......OK?
You
are NOT trying to learn truth!
DAVEH:
Not from you!
Duh!
DAVEH:
Yeah....Duh! You can't even quote me correctly, so why should I think
you have the truth?
This
explains everything!
DAVEH:
Yes it does, Izzy. You your mind is made up, so it doesn't matter
what I say, you are going to interpret it incorrectly. I believe
you've done the same thing with your understanding of the Bible.
It gives a message, and due to your Protestant biases you've interpreted
it incorrectly. So.....why should I believe what you think to be
"truth"!
(Excuse
me for thinking otherwise!)
DAVEH:
There is no excuse for deliberately misleading people about what I've said,
and about what I believe, Izzy. If you are in TT to spread mistruths,
then you are a part of the problem. And what is that 'problem'?......the
perception that TT is a well of truth. How can that be when you have
corrupted it so! No Izzy, if anything.....it seems you've poisoned
the well with your inaccurate portrayal of me.
Izzy
ShieldsFamily
wrote:
Personally,
I hope for everyone--regardless of viewpoint--on TT to be comfortable discussing
issues. That's why I get a bit bent out of shape with hateful, caustic,
castigating people--I don't want them chasing people off with their "casting
you into hell" kind of talk. I think that is entirely inappropriate
and unloving.
However,
my issue with Dave H is much like what others have clearly expressed. Behind
his very nice guy veneer he seems demonically motivated. He claims
to want to learn truth with such sincerity,
DAVEH:
Therein lies the problem, Izzy. I have refuted this assumption many
times before, but it doesn't seem to matter how often I say it, you and
others refuse to believe me. I will say it once more to try to dispel
this myth.....I am not in TT to "learn
truth".
I do not know why you think I said such, as I did not to the best of my
memory. Now I've been accused by DavidM of 'harping' on the reason
for my being here. But in my defense, I have pretty much explained
my reason for being here to clear up these misconceptions that other TTers
such as yourself have about my presense here. For some illogical
reason, despite my saying it to the contrary......a lot of TTers think
that I am here for reasons other than I've stated. Rather than simply
accept my stated reason, I've very curious as to why you and others don't
want to put words in my mouth that I have not spoken? Is it a reflection
of Protestantism, that demands some kind of conformity? Or....is
it an expectation that you have about the TT Forum? Or......are you
assuming something about me because of the way I ask questions? As
I've resently mentioned to DavidM.....this situation perplexes me, and
I'm interested in your thoughts as to why we have this communication breakdown.
but
whenever truth is offered up to him on a silver platter in an irrefutable
manner he changes the subject and asks a question a bit off the mark just
to get out from under the point (which was the truth he pretended to want
to know!) I have watched
him do this for YEARS, and it is VERY PREDICTABLE. This is just like
trying to skewer a very wiggly earthworm on a piece of wet glass with a
toothpick. No matter how you poke the thing it manages to slither
out from under your point. I really dislike slithering....
Izzy
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I
think your harping on being
here
to learn what Protestants believe has misled many as well.
DaveH
wrote:
>
I suppose my comfort could cause the discomfort
>
of others. I'll have to ponder that.
Yes,
this is very true! I have received private emails from people
telling
me that something is spiritually wrong if a Mormon feel
comfortable
to be on the list. They view this as something faulty.
Interestingly,
you seem to be the only Mormon that sticks around about
like
I'm the only Street Preacher who sticks around. LOL. Nevertheless,
I
do think you are onto something here with the idea that your comfort
here
is discomforting to others. Maybe some others on the list would
like
to comment on this idea.
