Well, Dave, at least we finally learn you DO have a temper!
DAVEH: Once
again you have shown your inability to perceive truth, Izzy. Despite what
you may think, I have NOT lost my temper. It simply is not in my nature
to lose my temper. But, thank you for assuming you have provoked
me. Nothing could be further from the truth.....which again demonstrates
why I am not in TT to learn truth from you.
Perhaps you have
not read my recent posts. Or....perhaps having read them, you failed to
understand them. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and explain why I
am posting as I have to you and Perry. DavidM suggested that in order to
make some (you, Perry, g and perhaps others) more comfortable with my LDS
biased presence in TT, I need to change the way I post my responses to you
folks. I perceived he wanted me to dull the polish so to speak, and
eliminate the respectful language in order not to 'offend' you folks.
So.....tonight I've endeavored to change
the wording of my posts to make you folks happier. Is it working???
Unfortunately, it is depressing
me. I feel not only very extrememly uncomfortable speaking like this, but
I also feel.......well.......rather slimey........and, dirty.......and.......ahhhhhh.......welllllll.....like
a Protestant. I would be embarressed if another Mormon were to read my
posts today and think I'm really like this. If my Mom were to read this,
she'd probably want to wash my typing fingers with lye soap! IMHO, what
I've posted today is not proper Christian behavior. Even though it may be
acceptable behavior on TT, I regret participating in it as I have today, and
hope other TTers will forgive me for bowing to the whims of others.
Ya know Iz, I didn't join TT to become
like you Protestant folks. And now that I've taken a step closer, I feel
ashamed to think I've jumped down to this level of degradation. Do
you think I feel some satisfaction in this.....Let me tell you that I
don't. I'd much prefer to be my real self than some loathsome form of TT
creature that was created to satisfy others' baser desires. Do you feel
better now that I'm becoming more like you, Izzy?
I don't think the Spirit of the Lord is
with me when I feel like this. Nor do I think the Lord wants me to be
like this. So I have to ask myself if I want to continue in this manner,
or if I should return to my old TT self. Any thoughts from you,
Izzy? (Or from other TTers???) I figured I'd try it for a day or so
and see what it's like. I'm curious to see how I'll feel about it
tomorrow though. I'd like to revert back, but if you folks want me to
continue posting like this, I'll probably give it a few more days to see if I
can get used to it.
Note to DavidM......Is this really the
way you want me to present myself on TT???
(However, I forgive you if you forgive me for provoking
you.) But I guess we will continue to disagree about whether mormons know the
real Jesus, or a figment of J.Smith?s imagination. Izzy
-----Original Message-----
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003
10:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Slithering
ShieldsFamily
wrote:
Oh, thanks Dave H, for making it perfectly
clear?NOW I GET IT!
DAVEH:
I've got to ask, Izzy.....Why did you not understand this from the first time I
said I wasn't in TT to learn truth? Did you honestly think I didn't mean
what I said? I really am tiring of others like yourself putting words in
my mouth. You don't have to believe what I say, but please stop claiming
I said things I didn't say......OK?
You are NOT trying to learn truth!
DAVEH:
Yeah....Duh! You can't even quote me correctly, so why should I think you
have the truth?
This explains everything!
DAVEH:
Yes it does, Izzy. You your mind is made up, so it doesn't matter what I
say, you are going to interpret it incorrectly. I believe you've done the
same thing with your understanding of the Bible. It gives a message, and
due to your Protestant biases you've interpreted it incorrectly.
So.....why should I believe what you think to be "truth"!
(Excuse me for thinking otherwise!)
DAVEH:
There is no excuse for deliberately misleading people about what I've said, and
about what I believe, Izzy. If you are in TT to spread mistruths, then
you are a part of the problem. And what is that 'problem'?......the
perception that TT is a well of truth. How can that be when you have
corrupted it so! No Izzy, if anything.....it seems you've poisoned the
well with your inaccurate portrayal of me.
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Personally, I hope for everyone--regardless of viewpoint--on
TT to be comfortable discussing issues. That's why I get a bit bent out
of shape with hateful, caustic, castigating people--I don't want them chasing
people off with their "casting you into hell" kind of talk. I
think that is entirely inappropriate and unloving.
However, my issue with Dave H is much like what others have
clearly expressed. Behind his very nice guy veneer he seems demonically
motivated. He claims to want to learn truth with such sincerity,
DAVEH: Therein
lies the problem, Izzy. I have refuted this assumption many times before,
but it doesn't seem to matter how often I say it, you and others refuse to
believe me. I will say it once more to try to dispel this myth.....I am not
in TT to "learn
truth". I do not
know why you think I said such, as I did not to the best of my memory.
Now I've been accused by DavidM of 'harping' on the reason for my being
here. But in my defense, I have pretty much explained my reason for being
here to clear up these misconceptions that other TTers such as yourself have
about my presense here. For some illogical reason, despite my saying it
to the contrary......a lot of TTers think that I am here for reasons other than
I've stated. Rather than simply accept my stated reason, I've very
curious as to why you and others don't want to put words in my mouth that I
have not spoken? Is it a reflection of Protestantism, that demands some
kind of conformity? Or....is it an expectation that you have about the TT
Forum? Or......are you assuming something about me because of the way I
ask questions? As I've resently mentioned to DavidM.....this situation
perplexes me, and I'm interested in your thoughts as to why we have this
communication breakdown.
but whenever truth is offered up to him on
a silver platter in an irrefutable manner he changes the subject and asks a
question a bit off the mark just to get out from under the point (which was the
truth he pretended to want to know!) I have watched him do this for YEARS, and it is VERY
PREDICTABLE. This is just like trying to skewer a very wiggly earthworm
on a piece of wet glass with a toothpick. No matter how you poke the
thing it manages to slither out from under your point. I really
dislike slithering....
-----Original Message-----
I think your harping on being
here
to learn what Protestants believe has misled many as well.
DaveH
wrote:
>
I suppose my comfort could cause the discomfort
>
of others. I'll have to ponder that.
Yes,
this is very true! I have received private emails from people
telling
me that something is spiritually wrong if a Mormon feel
comfortable
to be on the list. They view this as something faulty.
Interestingly,
you seem to be the only Mormon that sticks around about
like
I'm the only Street Preacher who sticks around. LOL. Nevertheless,
I
do think you are onto something here with the idea that your comfort
here
is discomforting to others. Maybe some others on the list would
like
to comment on this idea.
