DAVEH:� Note to ALL TTers------The game is over.� I am reverting back to my true/old self, whether you like it or not.� Before I respond to DavidM's below comments, let me explain.� I thought I had the 'green light' from DavidM to give other TTers a taste of their own medicine, which I did yesterday.� And.....I've got to admit, it was rather fun.� But it wasn't 'me'.� I was hoping TTers would realize what I was doing and ask me to go back to being the polite guy I was before.� But I didn't get that reaction at all.� In fact, Izzy seemed rather comfortable with my new testy personality.� Perry thinks he's got a new insight as to what makes me tick.� And much to my horror......DavidM seems to have swallowed it hook, line and (as I said before).....stinker!�� <VBG>
��� Now let me say that much of what I said was true to a certain extent, but I tried to toss in a bunch of humor so that it would be obvious that I wasn't all that serious.� Yeah.....I know.....I didn't use any smilies, as I didn't want to make it too obvious that I was playing a game.� Unfortunately, my ruse was taken far too seriously, and nobody (that responded) seems to have seen the humor or the connection to what I was trying to demonstrate. ��� Now, I admit to being naive, but I don't think my gullibility level comes close to approaching those who responded to my posts today.� My only regret is that a few more (especially Brother Glenn & g) didn't weigh in too.� But, if I were guessing, I doubt that BG would have been sucked in.�� I'm not sure about g though....care to admit what you were thinking, g? ��� While I doubt that anybody is going to ask, I'm going to offer my thoughts about this anyway.� It seems to me that some TTers take TT way to seriously.� If I can offend you by being polite, and not offend you by being expressly obnoxious.....well, I think there is some humor in that.....but I doubt many here will see it.� I'd like to think that is not a result of Protestant imprinting, but I'm not sure.� I'll have to ponder it for awhile.� So.....my unasked for advice for TTers:� Lighten up a bit. ��� I've probably not made any friends with this stunt.� But I suppose I don't have that many in TT anyway.� However, I'll ask your forgiveness if my actions yesterday offended you.� I'd like to think this has been a learning experience for all of us......as it certainly has for me.� If any of you want to unload your anger on me, go ahead......I'll restrain my reply unless you specifically ask me a question. ��� I'll now briefly respond to some of DavidM's comments below...... David Miller wrote: > DaveH wrote: > > ... tonight I've endeavored to change the wording > > of my posts to make you folks happier.� Is it working??? > > Unfortunately, it is depressing me.� I feel not only very > > extrememly uncomfortable speaking like this, but I also > > feel...well...rather slimey...and, dirty... > > and...ahhhhhh...welllllll...like a Protestant. > > I would be embarrassed if another Mormon were to read my > > posts today and think I'm really like this. > > Dave, in case it is any consolation to you, I want you to know that I > understood what you were doing and did not think you were losing your > temper. DAVEH:� I am glad to hear that.� I hoped that would show through, but was rather surprised that Izzy initially thought I was angry.� Anybody who knows me, knows that I do not anger easily.� FWIW......the only time I can remember being angry since I was an adolescent was probably 30 years ago or so while I was dreaming.� What I did in that dream out of anger (killing somebody) made me never want to experience that feeling again.� So.....I just don't allow myself to get angry. > To tell you the truth, I found your candor rather refreshing. DAVEH:� LOL.......As you now know it was all an act, laced with truth.� But I've got to ask, DavidM......would you want me to continue in that manner in the future?� (I won't.....but I'd like to know which you prefer.) > You kind of switched over so completely all of a sudden that you looked > like a completely different person.� In your effort to do this, I think > you might have crossed the line some in feeding perhaps some carnal > feelings, and that might account some for the dirty feelings you have. DAVEH:� Now the truth is that I do/did feel uncomfortable talking like that.� But when done as an 'act', it is easy.� I've never been theatrically inclined, as my mouth works faster than my brains.� I have to have time to think things out.� Putting them on paper (or computer) gives me time to be a little creative, which is very difficult for me to do in real time. ��� I thought my comment about my Mom washing my fingers with lye soap would tip you off to the humor in this.� And of course, I just couldn't keep from posting that it made me feel like a........Protestant.� I figured that'd really give the game away.� I imagine what makes it sound so convincing to TTers is that it might sound like there was a ring of truth to it, eh!� Well, I'm beginning to believe (falsely, I hope) that Protestants are comfortable with the thinking and language I was using.� If I were to talk like that in my LDS environment, I'd end up without any friends at all.� (And it is true......I would be embarrassed if another LDS person thought I really meant all I said.)� Yet I'm beginning to think that in the Protestant realm I would fit right in.�� Any truth to that, DavidM? > But there is something even more at play here, and this is the concept > of REPUTATION. DAVEH:� Yes.....there is a lot to be said about reputation.....I just hope I haven't ruined mine yesterday!� :-) > �I don't think you are going to hear this too easily, but > your real problem with the open honest approach is your reputation. DAVEH:� You are losing me on that...... > Being open makes us vulnerable, DAVEH:� Agreed.� And I feel pretty vulnerable right now! > and it exposes our inner heart in a way > that is kind of like taking the lid off a garbage can.� Our first > instinct is to get that lid back on that garbage can as quickly as > possible. > > What you should be doing is looking to the Lord to so purify your heart, > that when you are open and candid about what you think, purity comes out > rather than defiled thought. > > What you said to Izzy showed that your heart truly did not think too > well of her. DAVEH:� I was trying to reflect back to her that which she projected to me in previous posts.� From her reply, I believe I succeeded.� I've got the feeling that previous to yesterday, Izzy did not respect anything about me.� Yet I sensed a tone of respect when I treated her in a way she felt comfortable treating me.� Now don't get me wrong......I'm not a shrink and shouldn't be discussing a 3rd person in open forum.....but I hope Izzy doesn't mind all of us learning from what happened yesterday. ��� Maybe that's why as a Mormon, I'm not well accepted here.� I'm a round peg in the TT game board of square holes.� Once I 'square up' my image, I can then fit into a square hole and Izzy feels comfortable with that.� Until then, both Izzy and Perry didn't know how to categorize me.� I'm like a loose cannon bouncing around, likely to hurt somebody.� I don't know.......I just hope somebody doesn't turn me in for practicing psychiatry without a license!� <VBG> > �If that is a problem (and I think it is), the solution is > not to cover it up with nice words, but to look to the Lord to help make > your heart right and balanced.� Do you understand what I am saying? DAVEH:� NO!�� You're all screwed up on this, DavidM!�� You were sucked in too.�� :-) ��� Yes, I know.....you are trying to be serious, and I'm making light of it.� Sorry! > �As > long as you polish the outside, the inside is still defiled. DAVEH:� FTR.......I have not changed.� I'm still the same polite Mormon Boy I was 2 days ago, except I probably have no friends left on TT now!� And.....I don't care if you or anybody else is offended by my polite nature.....I'm reverting back to my former (real) self, so to speak. > If what > comes out of the heart is not pure and holy, then seek for the solution > to that root problem through Jesus Christ rather than adding the polish > to the outside man in the hope that the inside will never be seen for > what it is. > > I am encouraged that you have taken this step.� I applaud you for it. > It is great to see someone willing to change, willing to take a step, > even if they are unsure about where it will lead them.� I encourage you > to continue, not pull back, but let God work at your very heart, causing > your speech to become pure from the root and not simply as a polished > exterior.� You are on your way, but don't be too surprised if being > honest in this way leads to an illumination of your soul that you never > expected.� What you previously thought were paths to truth may begin to > fade as you walk this new path. DAVEH:� I appreciate your kind and serious thoughts, but as you know....this situation got way out of hand.� I did not mean to hurt or offend you or anybody else, DavidM.� In retrospect, perhaps I should not have let you influence me to the point of playing this game.� But.....right or wrong, I did it and find the results interesting. ��� FWIW.......I wish Blaine had been here for all this, as I think he would have laughed himself silly as I was doing it.� I did copy a few posts to him, but not enough to get the full picture.�� I'll certainly copy this one so he'll understand it a bit better now.� I wish he'd return, but I think he found the environment here to be a bit too spiteful for his liking. > Peace be with you. > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... 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