RE: [TruthTalk] Baptism

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FYI, that's just another mormon “computer trouble” trick they play when the heat gets too uncomfortable around here! :-) (Next DaveH will say his computer is on the fritz!!! DaveH, where are your friend when you really need them?) Izzy   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blaine R Borrowman Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism   Hey people, I am way behind in answering e-mail--I have about 130 posts yet to read, most of them from TT.  I am going to have my computer worked on, which may involve reprogramming the hard drive, unless the problem turns out to be the modem--the basic problem is, I can send and receive e-mail, but Juno can't find the modem when I try to get on the Internet.  So, if I don't reply to some of your posts, it may yet be caused by the hard drive getting dumped, and starting from scratch.  Meanwhile, I am going to go off TT temporarily, to keep the number of posts from clogging my Juno.   See ya all later.   BlaineRB On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:53:11 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Kevin wrote: > > 1 Co 15:29 Else what shall they do which are baptized > > for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they > > then baptized for the dead? > > Here Paul abruptly switches gear and refers to a group > > outside of the Christians he had been refering to throughout > > the whole chapter. He now uses the THIRD person pronoun "they", > > since he is refering to PAGANs and Heathens. > > Excellent point.  The Mormons always seem to ignore this point.  I > have > not seen an answer to it.  Blaine and Dave, can you give some kind > of > answer to the language used here?  Why does he talk "we" up to this > verse, then switch to "they" if he did not consider those who > baptized > for the dead to be in some other group? > > Kevin wrote: > > If Baptism is essential to the Gospel & Salvation, then > > why does Paul say? 1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me > > not to baptize, but to preach the gospel They are 2 separate > > things, on the one hand Baptism (NOT sent), the other Gospel > > (sent).  If baptism was an essential part of the Gospel, then > > he would have been "sent" to perform such. Instead he was sent > > to Preach the Gospel. > > I do not believe that baptism is essential to salvation, but I do > believe that baptism plays a role in salvation for those who use it > in > the faith filled way that it was meant to be used.  I believe that > baptism is part of the gospel.  Remember how the Eunuch asked Philip > to > baptize him after hearing the gospel?  Why would he ask that if > baptism > was not part of the gospel?  Why did the apostles always usher new > converts into the waters of baptism if it was not part of what they > preached?  Furthermore, the "Great Commission" distinctly mentions > baptism as part of the work, so we know that the twelve were sent > to > baptize even though Paul was not. > > "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto > me > in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, > BAPTIZING THEM in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of > the > Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have > commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of > the > world. Amen." (Matthew 28:18-20 KJV) > > The reason that Paul was not sent to baptize was because Jesus sent > his > ministers out as teams.  The labor among them was divided.  For > example, > Paul and Barnabas made one such team.  Paul preached; Barnabas > baptized. > We can find a clear mention in Scripture that Paul was the > principal > speaker, but we don't really read much about what Barnabas did. What > was > he, some spectator?  I think not.  It seems safe to assume that > Barnabas > played a role in baptizing considering Paul's statement that he did > not > baptize much.  We know the Corinthians were baptized.  Who would > argue > that the Corinthians did not receive baptism?  Furthermore, we know > that > Paul baptized some of them, especially the important ones, such as > when > Crispus, the chief of the synagogue, believed on Christ. The > logical > conclusion here is that Paul preached and others with him baptized > those > who responded to the gospel. > > Peace be with you. > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you > may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you > have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org   If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.