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From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 7:30
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk False
Teachers-Ad. Hom attack David.
> Blaine,
>
> I fail to to see how these versee say there are three heavens. Since it
> speaks about different glories for different things, I suspect it is saying
> that in the resurrection we humans will have our own glory, different from
> that of the other objects mentioned, and that even the glory between those
> resurrected may vary, but I don't see that this indicates that we go to
> different "heavens" or "kingdoms".
>
> Perry
>
> I fail to to see how these versee say there are three heavens. Since it
> speaks about different glories for different things, I suspect it is saying
> that in the resurrection we humans will have our own glory, different from
> that of the other objects mentioned, and that even the glory between those
> resurrected may vary, but I don't see that this indicates that we go to
> different "heavens" or "kingdoms".
>
> Perry
Blaine
writes: You are right, it says nothing of kingdoms or heavens --but as you
say it does indicate that bodies are of differing glories in the
resurrection. So, we are agreed on that as far as it goes,
right?
Here is the
way I read this passage, trying to put things in context rather than seeing
anything in isolation:
The glory
of the sun is one--In other words, the sun's glory, which does not vary much,
symbolizes the bodies of those who inherit this glory. These
are therefore equal in glory. I would equate this glory with the term
"celestial glory."
The glory
of the moon is one, so the bodies of those who inherit this glory will be
equal. I suppose this is called the "terrestrial glory."
Since the glory of the stars does vary, those who inherit this glory will have
bodies that vary in glory, as is the case here on earth. A name for
this glory is not given.
It does seem to me that although
kingdoms/heavens are not explicitly mentioned here, they are
implied. I find it difficult to believe persons of varying degrees of
glory, and therefore varying powers, would all reside mixed
together. I would not, for example, believe that men who were hardened
criminals on earth would have much desire to associate with higher types, and
vice versa. I think there would be not only differing glories, but
differing degrees of understanding, and enlightenment, and therefore different
kingdoms. As the saying goes,
"Birds of a feather flock together." There would be no point in separating the sheep from the goats, or the tares from the wheat, in the final judgement, if they were all going to end up in the same place anyway. I for one would not think it much reward if I still had to put up with thieves, liars, etc all living in my heavenly neighborhood. Even here on earth, we like to live in a place where those around us think and feel similarly.
"Birds of a feather flock together." There would be no point in separating the sheep from the goats, or the tares from the wheat, in the final judgement, if they were all going to end up in the same place anyway. I for one would not think it much reward if I still had to put up with thieves, liars, etc all living in my heavenly neighborhood. Even here on earth, we like to live in a place where those around us think and feel similarly.
> >From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk False Teachers-Ad. Hom attack David.
> >Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:32:16 -0700
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 2:40 PM
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk False Teachers-Ad. Hom attack David.
> >
> >Perry wrote:
> >
> > In fact, the heaven you describe is nowhere described in the Bible. The
> > > bible does speak of three heavens, but they are not as LSD believe. They
> >are
> > > the heavens in which birds fly, the heavens in which the planets, stars,
> >and
> > > galaxies exist, and the heaven where God exists. And, only the third one
> >of
> > > these is a place where we go in the afterlife. The other two are merely
> > > places created by God as part of the universe, and referred to in the
> >bible
> > > as such.
> >Blaine: Perry--Is this what you're talking about? The "three glories"
> >passage?
> >
> >"All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men,
> >another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, another of birds. There are
> >also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial; but the glory of the
> >celestial is one, and the glory of terrestrial is another. There is one
> >glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the
> >stars--for one star differeth in glory from another star in glory. So also
> >is the resurrection of the dead." 1 Corinthians 15: 39-42
> >
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