Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DavidH,DAVEH: Thanx Perry......Seems I don't get a lot of respect on TT. (And....I do know there are some TTers who do afford me a fair measure of respect.)Thanks for the response, although you really didn't answer any of the
questions, but that is your choice, which I respect.
The reason I asked the questions is not necessarily because I needed toDAVEH: I know that, and that is part of my reason for not answering them.
know an answer,
but I think in all honesty that all TT'rs should know theDAVEH: So why bother asking me what I believe, Perry. Why did you just not post that material like others in TT do?
Mormon definitions of words in order to understand that when you agree with
them, you are agreeing to something different than THEY THINK they are
agreeing to.The problem here was that you stated, "I don't believe one has to be LDS
(a Mormon) to enter heaven". That statement, is misleading to Christians,
because what many of them do not understand is that Mormons believe in THREE
heavens, the terrestrial, the telestial, and the celestial. (If I err, feel
free to point that out).The lowest heaven (terestrial, I think) is for people who are not
believers, those who have not accepted Christ, and even those who are evil
or sinners (except for the sons of ?). So, those like Hitler, and possibly
even Hitler himself could go to this 1st heaven.The second heaven (telestial) is for believers that are not Mormons, and
Mormons that are not "good" Mormons. (Maybe non-Mormon believers end up in
the 1st heaven...I forget).The third heaven is for Mormons that have performed the Temple
endowments, tithe, have met all of the "callings", learned the handshakes,
passwords, signs of the penalties, remember their secret name, wear their
Captian Moroni secret encoder rings, etc.
So, you see, when you agree that non-mormons can go to heaven, there is aDAVEH: I respectfully disagree. If we use your (Protestant derived) definitions of heaven and hell, it will be easy to explain. I do not believe non-Mormons will be cast into a literal lake of fire and brimstone. Now, to you does that not imply that anyone not cast into that fiery hell will be in (some level) of heaven???
catch. You should point that out when you say you believe non-mormons go to
heaven, they do not go to the same heaven as good mormons go...it is being
deceitful NOT to point it out. You are deliberately deceiving those who ask.
So what's the catch, Perry? If non-Mormons can go to a place better than this mortal earth life that can be described as a level of heaven.....what's your beef. Ahhhhhh.....perhaps your beef is that we (LDS) do not believe that non-Mormons can become Gods? Well, that is not even true. As I pointed out in previous posts, Mormonism has only existed since 1830, and we believe there will be a lot of pre-1830 folks who will achieve the highest place in heaven. Furthermore, if we did not believe non-Mormons could enter heaven, why would we bother performing baptisms for the dead? If you never join The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints, Perry......that in itself will not disqualify you for a place in the highest level of heaven, as you will still have the opportunity afforded you to receive baptism (and other Temple ordinances) after you die.
So Perry......please explain how I've deceived anyone with my previous answer???
In fact, the heaven you describe is nowhere described in the Bible.DAVEH: Are you asking me or telling me, Perry? I belief Paul was describing them in 1Cor 15:40-42. If you disagree with that, what do you think Paul was describing, Perry?
TheDAVEH: Are you referring to the aforementioned passages?
bible does speak of three heavens, but they are not as LSD believe. They are
the heavens in which birds fly, the heavens in which the planets, stars, and
galaxies exist, and the heaven where God exists. And, only the third one of
these is a place where we go in the afterlife. The other two are merely
places created by God as part of the universe, and referred to in the bible
as such.
So, I was only trying to be honest to the other TT'rs in pointing out yet--
another word that Mormons use, that APPEARS to agree with Christian
concepts, but is totally foreign to the Bible.Perry
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