Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

Thu, 11 Mar 2004 18:09:53 -0800

Some people say I am such a character.


"Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

u`posta,sewj noun gen fem sing [Fri] u`po,stasij( ewj( h` as the objective aspect and underlying reality behind anything, w. specif. mng. derived fr. context; (1) as an undertaking plan, project (2C 9.4); (2) as God's substantial nature real being, essence (HE 1.3); (3) as the objective reality which gives a firm guarantee and basis for confidence or assurance substance, ground of hope, foundation (HE 3.14; 11.1).

Yes, Kevin, the KJV does say this; however, the Greek word used here is actually used to speak about his substance and not his personhood. Remember that the KJV was translated 1300 years after Nicea. The KJ translators were attempting to use the light and insight of Nicea. And justifiably so, I believe. Yet it would probably have been better to translate this word as "substance."

The "express-image" word speaks to what we could possibly consider his personality (although this is actually a very long and complex story in itself. I can go into it if you like but only at your nudging):

arakth.r noun nom masc sing [Fri] carakth,r( h/roj( o` orig. an engraver or engraving tool; fig. in the NT of Christ in relation to God exact representation, precise reproduction, impress (HE 1.3).

If you transliterate this word it is character.

 

Hope this was helpful.

Bill

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Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

Doesn't the Bible say express image of his PERSON?

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In a message dated 3/11/2004 8:58:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are you saying that 'we become a part of God' as in God is the
ocean and we are one drop


We have received the same glory that was given to Christ for the purpose of becoming one  with each other and with Him.   "I in them and thou in me  "   .
(John 17:22-23  NASV).  


John:
judyt:  there is absolutely nothing new age about me, including my
clothing.  In my post I referred to Spirit indwelling.   That is how it
happens, of course.  John

jt: The spirit sealing and indwelling to lead us into all
truth does not make us become "a part of God", he is
still him and we are still us, hopefully a sanctified and
purified us - before Jesus' return. The bride and the
bridegroom are not the same thing.


Maybe this is what is wrong with using "person" when referencing God.   I don't know.  I am certainly, however, that John 17:21 makes it clear that we have a shared existence with the Godhead.  I Cor 2:11 ff plainly teach that an understanding of the mind of God is not possible apart from possession of His Spirit.   For us, God is not over there and we are over here.


John

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