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Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 6:21
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
Trinity
Are you fluent in greek? "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
u`posta,sewj noun gen fem sing
[Fri] u`po,stasij( ewj( h` as the objective aspect and underlying reality behind
anything, w. specif. mng. derived fr. context; (1) as an undertaking
plan, project (2C 9.4); (2) as God's substantial nature real
being, essence (HE 1.3); (3) as the objective reality which gives a firm
guarantee and basis for confidence or assurance substance, ground of
hope, foundation (HE 3.14; 11.1).
Yes, Kevin, the KJV does say this;
however, the Greek word used here is actually used to speak about his
substance and not his personhood. Remember that the KJV was translated 1300
years after Nicea. The KJ translators were attempting to use the light and
insight of Nicea. And justifiably so, I believe. Yet it would probably
have been better to translate this word as "substance."
The "express-image" word speaks to what we
could possibly consider his personality (although this is actually a very
long and complex story in itself. I can go into it if you like but only at
your nudging):
arakth.r noun nom masc sing [Fri]
carakth,r( h/roj( o` orig. an engraver or engraving tool;
fig. in the NT of Christ in relation to God exact representation,
precise reproduction, impress (HE 1.3).
If you transliterate this word it is
character.
Hope this was helpful.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 5:56
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
Trinity
Doesn't the Bible say express image of his PERSON? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated
3/11/2004 8:58:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are
you saying that 'we become a part of God' as in God is the
ocean and we are one
drop
We have received the same
glory that was given to Christ for the purpose of becoming one
with each other and with Him. "I in them and thou in
me " .
(John 17:22-23 NASV).
John:
judyt: there is absolutely nothing new
age about me, including my
clothing. In my post I referred
to Spirit indwelling. That is how it
happens, of
course. John
jt: The spirit sealing
and indwelling to lead us into all
truth does not make us
become "a part of God", he is
still him and we are
still us, hopefully a sanctified and
purified us - before
Jesus' return. The bride and the
bridegroom are not the
same thing.
Maybe this is what is wrong with
using "person" when referencing God. I don't know. I
am certainly, however, that John 17:21 makes it clear that we have a
shared existence with the Godhead. I Cor 2:11 ff plainly teach
that an understanding of the mind of God is not possible apart from
possession of His Spirit. For us, God is not over there and
we are over here.
John
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