[TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

[Judy Taylor]

From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy says  >  I used to believe that anyone who claimed to be Christian should be perfect.  I think there are unbelievers who still believe this. Do you believe that maybe the language Christians use -- for instance, "Christian perfection" -- may be fueling the misunderstanding? Do you believe your language might lend itself to that sort of misunderstanding on the part of unbelievers?   jt: No because I wouldn't talk this way to an unbeliever. IMO unbelievers are of this opinion because the god of this world whispers to them so that he can accuse the believers to them who obviously do not measure up.  OTOH I don't think the "sin consciousness" talk helps the cause of Christ either.  Do you?  When the Church is impotent and not doing the works of Christ what is there to draw the unbeliever?  Most of the time they don't listen to the rhetoric.  jt       From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PS, when I say "deceptive" I am not meaning deceptive in an evil sense but deceptive in that it is misleading to the one who hears you say it but still sees you sinning.   jt: Only misleading if I claim to be where I'm not; I don't think it misleading to say I believe that because it is scriptural and if it is in the scriptures the younger believer can look it up and learn what it means.  As for the unbeliever.  I used to believe that anyone who claimed to be Christian should be perfect or at least more perfect than the people who didn't make such claims.  jt     Judy, So when saying you agree with DavidM, you do not really mean you agree with his use of the term Christian perfection. Is that what I should understand you to be saying? Because I don't think we have to wallow in the mud either. I do think there is less deceptive ways of saying that than with the language of "Christian perfection"; because "perfection" implies perfection, doesn't it? Do you know what I mean? You don't really expect to be functionally perfect on this side of death, do you?   Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 4:38 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?       Billt: Judy, Allow me to expand a little bit. Maybe this will help me to understand the term.  Judy says  All truth is not positive and all error is not negative - and noone has arrived that I know of so far. Judy, how does this statement jive with your Christian perfectionism? Doesn't the idea of perfection necessitate arrival?  Bill Taylor   jt: No it does not. Salvation is present progressive. We should be headed in that direction however.  We have a sacrifice and a throne of grace to go to in time of need.  So why wallow in the mud.  jt.       Judy says     All truth is not positive and all error is not negative - and noone has arrived that I know of so far.   Billt: Judy, how does this statement jive with your Christian perfectionism?   jt: I'm not sure what you perceive to be my "Christian pefectionism" Bill. I don't think it is positive or fun to look in the mirror (of His Word) some days and it hurts to be pruned.  It's not all joy when I find I have been deceived in some area and need to repent.  Satan comes as an angel of light and can say some mighty smooth and good sounding things.   Tell me about my "Christian perfectionism" Billt,  jt