Judy, I appreciate your comments below...and I agree that Daniel is not using the street sense of the word "whore", but some see that as offensive regardless of the sense in which he meant it (and, neither sense is an attractive alternative!).
Perry
From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Offence Given/Offence Taken??? Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 11:52:47 -0400
From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Perry: Referring to ladies as whores will get one kicked out of most churches, and even some bars. Why is Daniel allowed to trample the reputations of others here when he cannot do it in other places? Is there any reasonable answer? This has got to be controlled.
Perry/Terry: I don't care for the crude posts either but to be fair to Daniel, he is not calling Izzy a whore like out on the street. He is speaking of "spiritual harlotry" which we are all guilty of at some time or another. Himself included. Just using a few Hebrew words does not make one holy.
If Daniel cannot control himself, it is your job to do it for him. The sooner, the better. This is not a man passionate for the Lord. This is a most selfish individual who is determined to have the attention and recognition of others. If no one is impressed with his goodness, them he will offer them evil. Anything to get attention. He is not seeking to glorify God, He is not seeking wisdom, he is seeking to be recognized, and he will sell his soul to get the attention that he craves. I have seen the same behavior in children hungry for affection, and in convicts in prison who had been forgotten by their families. The need for attention is a strong driving force, but it does not excuse inexcusable language. Respectfully, Terry
jt: Can't argue with the voice of experience but I do appreciate the mercy in Perry's approach because I don't believe any of us are locked into our present behavior, if that were so there would be no hope for any of us. Neither do I agree with F. Scott Peck's pronouncement as quoted by a listmember from his book “The People of the Lie”.
"The amazing analysis of the diagnosis of “evil”. There is no cure for evil —not even Christian compassion and understanding." Do you really want to pretend that there is? There is a cure for sin where it is sought, but evil people never seek after that. Peck’s conclusion is that the only way to deal with evil is with force."
This is in direct contradiction to the gospel which teaches us that the purpose for the Son of God being manifest was to "destroy the works of the evil one" (1 John 3:8) and these works manifest themselves through people. I was reading where Daniel used 1 John 3:9 to browbeat a professing Christian girl into cursing online because she had not so far overcome jealousy and a boyfriend. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone at her" I believe it is wrong to condemn people or to lock them in to their sin. Jesus came that we might be free, all of us. judyt
Note: Love your enemy, bless those who curse you, pray for those who despitefully use you. (and me)
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
> I was thinking about what the chances are that Daniel will clean up > his language and demeaning comments. At this point, it looks > fruitless. But, I was thinking back to others who have done so, and it > gives me hope for Daniel. For example, Chris, while never using the > profanity that Daniel prefers, initially came across in a manner not > unlike Daniels arrogance. It turned others off. For the most part > Chris has developed a respectful tone in his messages, and, I believe, > he has earned the respect of TT members. > > Elsman has many good things to say, but initially his profanity turned > off TT members. Elsman stopped using profanity, and people started to > read his posts again and respond to him. I have enjoyed reading them > myself, and they have caused me to think about what he has says. > > Daniel is an example of one with the passion of a zealot, combined > with an uncontrolled tongue. Perhaps Chris can appeal to Daniel, being > someone who Daniel obviously respects, to stop using profanity and to > stop demeaning others. I have a feeling if Daniel could control his > anger that his posts would become welcomed on TT. > > Perry the Moderator > >> From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Offence Given/Offence Taken??? >> Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 07:08:34 -0700 >> >> Terry, and other TT'rs this will not go on indefinitely. Soon he will >> eaither clean up his messages, leave the list on his own, or be >> barred from the list. It is totally his choice, although I feel I >> know what he will choose. >> >> Perry the moderator. >> >> >>> From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Offence Given/Offence Taken??? >>> Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 09:01:55 -0500 >>> >>> Judy Taylor wrote: >>> >>>> As for Daniel and Elsman, no point in being offended by them. Their >>>> mouths betray what is in their hearts and this is what defiles the man >>>> (Mark 7:20), >>>> Richest in Christ, judyt >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- >>> >>> But it was more pleasing to drink from this well prior to it being >>> poisoned. I hate to see what is coming into godly homes now via >>> this list. >>> >>> Terry >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra >> Storage! >> http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362a ve/direct/01/ >> >> >> ---------- >> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you >> may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) >> http://www.InnGlory.org >> >> If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you >> have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Getting married? Find tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN Life > Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you > may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have > a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > >
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