[TruthTalk] Intentional sin -- the Judas factor

[Judy Taylor]

Slade writes: If you're convinced someone is wrong, back it up with either Scripture or hypothesis, not by sticking your middle finger in someone's face.   jt: I have not stuck my middle finger anywhere Slade and I have backed my statements with scripture repeatedly - where have you been? For the sake of peace I will go over it again (1)Jesus knew who would betray him (John 13:18) and  (2) Satan who had been motivating Judas to steal all along entered into Him (John 13:27) (3) Jesus in His prayer to the Father called Judas the Son of Perdition (John 17:12).  (4) In the book of Acts we see that Judas hung himself and fell headlong in the field bought with the proceeds from his treachery. (5) Jesus Himself in prayer to the Father states that Judas is the only one of those the Father has given Him who has been lost.   Slade: In context, Judy is flaming Lance because her opinion is that the Son of Perdition is Judas. I am not so dogmatic because Son of Perdition is a Hebrew idiom for someone destined to perish and Scripture is clear that the one called "AntiMessiah" is one destined for destruction.   jt: I am NOT, I repeat NOT flaming Lance Slade; I am merely stating God's Truth as revealed in His Word which Lance refuses to receive.   Slade: Perhaps Lance is working from the vantage point that there is only one Son of Perdition, I don't know the heart of Lance, so he'll have to answer that if he so chooses.   jt: Only ONE son of perdition???????  Where would anyone get such a peculiar idea? Eph 2 tells us we were all in that shape before embracing the truth and Heb 10:39 shows that it is possible to draw back to perdition as Judas apparently did. I believe it is John who speaks of 'many' antichrists that have gone out into the world.   Perhaps Judy should respectfully consider ignoring the posts from those she considers heretic[k]s and post only to those whom she agrees. That's what I do with some people on some subjects. It also helps ease the tension and increase the peace. -- slade   jt: I would call what you describe 'peace at any price' Slade - Of what value is a truth talk list where some are forbidden to speak because others find their version of truth to be offensive?