Re: [TruthTalk] Being Led or Being Driven

[Bill Taylor]

Are we now on the "same page" Bill?  When was Jesus ever "driven" to do anything?  judyt   Judy, your problem is not with me. Yours is to reconcile two very different words from Scripture: "drive" and "lead" -- get the picture? As of yet you really haven't done much to "harmonize" the two; all you have only insisted (contrary to its definition) that "ekballo" doesn't really mean force or drive out, expel, exclude, reject, or compel. I don't understand how you can feel justified in doing this, but I often have difficulties making sense of the things you say. I do agree with you that Mark had "a more forceful style" than Luke -- he demonstrates this throughout his Gospel -- but I would like to ask you why the Holy Spirit would inspire him to say that Jesus was driven (a word with the thrust of being forced against one's will) into the wilderness, if in fact he was actually volitionally led there like Luke's Gospel is translated to state? Please answer this question for me, as I am very interested.   Again, if what you are seeking to do is to harmonize the two accounts, then the way to do it is to translate Luke's word "ageto" as brought -- the Spirit brought him to the wilderness. This word ageto can also be translated to imply the use of force, such as lead away, arrest, take into custody (see Mar 13.11). And so, if it is harmony that you seek, then it is Luke's word which needs to be translated in a way which conveys the forceful tone of Mark's ekballo -- not the other way around: unless you can explain to me how one can  force a willing accomplice.   Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Being Led or Being Driven This is a good example of the principle that  from the mouths of "two or more witnesses" let every word be established.  I was remiss in not doing more homework when we were discussing this. Both Luke and Matthew say "Jesus was led" - only Mark uses the word "driven" in the KJV. The NASB translates it as "impelled" and has a note saying that **this is because of Mark's more forceful style.   Are we now on the "same page" Bill?  When was Jesus ever "driven" to do anything?  They couldn't even throw Him off the brow of the cliff in their wrath?  Noone took His life and the Prince of this World had nothing in Him.  judyt   On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:49:41 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Say Bill, In my reading this a.m. I note that Luke 4:1 says "And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was LED by the Spirit into the wilderness" (Luke 4:1)   So what do you think?  Which is it that harmonizes with the rest of scripture "being driven or being led?"