Dave,
We are talking obtusely here. The little 'g' god, the god of Mormonism is NOT the big 'G', the God of the Bible. You are confusing the two. They are not the same. Your little 'g' god may be a warm fuzzy parent to you, but don't confuse him with the big 'G' God of the Bible. I refer you to God's Holy Word for the details. You won't find the meat of the truth in the LDS works. And all you will find in the little 't' temple is occultic rights and symbols, like the clasps, tokens, signs, and penalties of Masonry. You live in a cauldron of deceit. Many have been sent to you and are STILL being sent to you to tell you the truth. You have rejected and continue to reject them all. Not all of them are warm and fuzzy. Some yell, some scream, some wave underwear, and some put flyers on your car, and some are in error. But they all they are desparate for your soul to be saved.
Now, lets see. If you are judged for believeing not in the Jesus and God of the Bible, but in the false jesus and a false god of Mormonism, and consequently are consigned to hell for eternity (whatever hell might actually turn out to be, not what you or anyone else might imagine it to be), whose fault is that? You have been told the truth over and over. YOU have chosen to reject it. Do you expect to blame someone else because YOU, having heard the truth over and over, chose to reject it? Get real. Your false hope lies with a false jesus and false god that cannot save you, regardless of how liberal they are at the false judgement you are deceived into believing.
Read the Bible, Dave. It tells it all. Become like a child, forget the lies you have been spoonfed from infancy. Grapple with the REAL GOD and JESUS! Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Not with the false hope of a little g god that will save everybody.
You have asked about what I think Hell is. I beleive that Hell is separation from God for eternity. It may feel like a fire burning in you that cannot be quenched. Why will it feel that way? BECAUSE YOU WILL CLEARLY KNOW, UNDERSTAND, AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ARE THERE BY YOUR CHOICE TO REJECT THE REAL AND TRUE AND ONLY GOD!!! But whether it is an eternal flame, or just feels like it, or is something that I can't image, I KNOW I DO NOT WANT IT!!! I am not perfect. My understanding of theology is not perfect, but I am forgiven. And I know it. "For the Bible tells me so".
Perry
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell = Physical Torture? Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:14:49 -0800
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
So Perry.....getting back to God....do you really think a Perfect Parent would want to eternally torture their wayward children? To me...../that /is illogical.
No. As I said before, God would like for NONE of us to perish
DAVEH: I concur. The difference is that I do not believe to perish means to be literally tossed into a lake of fire. I assume you believe in the literalness (being tossed into a lake of fire) of such punishment, Perry?
...you intentionally cast God in a bad light, even though you have been told otherwise many times before, you just do not want to accept it.
DAVEH: Me cast God in a bad light!?!?!?! Give me a break, Perry. I do not believe that God is a cruel punisher who forever physically tortures those who do not accept his Son's sacrifice. That is what I have learned many Protestants believe......and, I assume you are one.....is that correct?
You have to make God out to be an ogre through the eyes of your "protestants" so your mormon god seems bigger.
DAVEH: You blame me for thinking that way??? Amazing, Perry. It wasn't me who came up with fliers that say....
THOUSANDS OF DEGREES HOT! AND NOT A DROP OF WATER. THE BURNING HELL TORTURED LOST SOULS BURNING FOREVER
.......That's the kind of stuff Protestants put on windshields to try to scare folks into believing the way they do. I believe God is a loving and merciful parent. It seems to me that wacko Protestants want to make him into an ogre.
It seems illogical to you because you use extra-biblical and non-biblical references to try to define God instead of relying solely on his Word. Your mind has been polluted by the heretical LDS works. If you relied on his Word you would clearly see that your impressions of God are all wrong.
DAVEH: As if yours are all correct? My God is a parent. As far as I can see, most Protestants don't perceive him that way, but rather have painted him as an ogre.
Let me ask you a question, Perry. Do you think it is God (or one of his angels) who will literally toss people into the lake of fire who fail to meet his requirements, or do you think the people who do not accept Jesus will toss themselves into that fiery pit?
Perry
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