I agree, Debbie, and I appreciate your analogy. It certainly is valid. The
other side of this coin, however, is that if your children were disobedient,
the law demands that they lose their relationship with you. The law says to
take them to the elders to be stoned. Doesn't this mean that while
relationship is not established upon obedience (something I think we all
agree upon), obedience is an expected character trait that those who are in
relationship with God and one another are expected to have?
You think this applies to us today?

