Kevin wrote: FATHER ADAM OUR GOD Brigham Young, in a sermon in the tabernacle in Salt Lake City on April 9, 1852, said: "When our Father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it WITH A CELESTIAL BODY, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world.
Kevin, this source reminded me of a Jewish opinion of Adam, which may be the source of the Mormon logic: Then God, the ruler of the aeons and the powers, divided us in wrath. Then we became two aeons. And the glory in our heart(s) left us, me and your mother Eve, along with the first knowledge that breathed within us. And it (glory) fled from us; it entered into [...] great [...] which had come forth, not from this aeon from which we had come forth, I and Eve your mother. But it (knowledge) entered into the seed of great aeons. For this reason I myself have called you by the name of that man who is the seed of the great generation or from whom (it comes). After those days, the eternal knowledge of the God of truth withdrew from me and your mother Eve. -- The Apocalypse of Adam 1:2-5 The Apocalypse of Adam is included the the Pseudopigrapha (post-biblical, noncanonical writings purported to have come from biblical characters). The AofA is supposed to be Adam revealing his revelations to Seth. The narration is discussing what happened after Adam partook of the forbidden fruit. I saw the link between this and what Brigham Young said about Adam, since both writings talk about Adam's celestial body or "glory" in his heart. Another Jewish tradition discusses Adam's glory. The writer talks about entering a cave that houses all the great partiarchs, and first seeing Abraham and Sarah in their cave, and then approaching Adam's cave: R. Bana'ah said: I discerned his [Adam's] two heels, and they were like two orbs of the sun. Compared with Sarah, all other people are like a monkey to a human being, and compared with Eve Sarah was like a monkey to a human being, and compared with Adam Eve was like a monkey to a human being, and compared with the Shechinah Adam was like a monkey to a human being. --Baba Bathra 58a (Babylonian Talmud) This account adds to the idea of Adam having some kind of glory, though it does contrast Adam with the Shechinah. However, it seems to me that Brigham Young's writings do parallel some Jewish tradition. Jewish writing says even more on Adam's glory, but this is what I have for now. Blessings, Christine --- Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Blaine says It is clear and consistent in all Mormon > doctrinal treatesies on this subject that 1) The > man Adam > > Tell Brigham, Taylor, Woodruff & Cannon! You just > can't trust them prohets ya know. > Seems that many LDs for many years have been > TROUBLED by who is who. But don't you worry. just > ignore the contradictions. repeat after me.... > "I know the church is true, I know the Church is > true....." > > Spring 1895 General Conference Wilford Woodruff > Cease troubling yourselves > about who God is; who Adam is, who Christ is, who > Jehovah is. For heaven's sake, let these things > alone. Why trouble yourselves about these things? > God has revealed himself and > when the 121st section of the Doctrine and Covenants > is fulfilled, whether there be ONE God or many Gods > they will be revealed to the children of men, as > well as all thrones and dominions, principalities, > and powers. Then why trouble yourselves about these > things? God is God. Christ is Christ. The Holy Ghost > is the Holy Ghost. That should be enough for you and > me to know. If we want to know anymore, wait till we > get where God is in person. I say this because we > are troubled every little while with inquiries from > Elders anxious to know who God is, who Christ is, > and who Adam is. I say to the Elders of Israel, stop > this. Humble yourselves before the Lord; seek for > light, for truth, and for a knowledge of the common > things of the Kingdom of God. The Lord is the same > yesterday, today, and forever. He changes not. The > Son of God is the same. He is the Savior of the > world. He is our advocate with the Father. We have > had letter after letter from Elders abroad wanting > to know concerning > these things. Adam is the first man. He was placed > in the Garden of Eden, and is our great progenitor. > God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost, > are the same yesterday, today, and forever. That > should be sufficient to know. (Millennial Star > 57:355-356, April 7, 1895) > > April of 1889, George Q. Cannon General Conference: > There are TWO personages, the Father and the Son. > God is the being who walked in the Garden of Eden, > and who talked > with the prophets. This revelation came to us in > certainty. (Millennial Star 51:278; April 7, 1889) > > FATHER ADAM OUR GOD Brigham Young, in a sermon in > the tabernacle in Salt Lake City on April 9, 1852, > said: "When our Father Adam came into the garden of > Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and > brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped > to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the > Archangel, the Ancient of Days, and about whom holy > men have written and spoken. He is our Father and > our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." > Of "His son, Jesus Christ," Brigham Young said: I > tell you that God was the Father of Jesus Christ, > just as I am the Father of my son." > > Some have grumbled because I believe our God so near > to us as Father Adam. (JD 5:331) > > How much unbelief exists in the minds of the > Latter-day Saints in regard to one particular > doctrine which I revealed to them, and which God > revealed to me -- namely that Adam is our Father and > God -- I do not know, I do not inquire, I care > nothing about it. Our Father Adam helped to make > this earth, it was created expressly for him, and > after it was made he and his companions came here. > (Deseret Weekly News 22:308-309, June 18, 1873) > > Michael (Adam) was a resurrected being and he left > Elohim and came to the earth with an immortal body, > and continued so till he partook of earthly food and > begat children who > were mortal (keep this to yourselves) and then they > died. (Wilford Woodruff Journal, January 27, 1860) > SSHHHHHH In the 1870 meeting of the School of the > Prophets, Brigham counseled: "... the brethren to > meditate on the subject, pray about it and keep it > to yourselves." (Joseph F. Smith Journal, > October 15, 1870) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Blaine: I guess I just can't resist breaking into > an interesting conversation!! Perry you are wrong > when you say Mormons believe Adam was both > God-the-Father and Michael in the pre-existance. It > is clear and consistent in all Mormon doctrinal > treatesies on this subject that 1) The man Adam was > Michael the archangel in the pre-existence, 2) that > Michael was third in order of authority in the > pre-existence. Both the Father and the Son were > above Michael in authority. Michael was the > executive of the will of the Father and the Son, you > might say. > > In a message dated 5/24/2005 8:01:49 AM Mountain > Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Dave, > > If I am "somewhat close", can you tell me the > part I am wrong about? You > always say if I want to know what mormons believe, > ask a mormon... > > Perry > > >From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave > uses Socratic Method of > >Teaching LDS doctrine on TT > >Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 06:38:17 -0700 > > > > > > > >Charles Perry Locke wrote: > > > >>Dave, > >> > >> Christians consider angels and humans to be two > distinct types of > >>created beings. > > > >DAVEH: Yes, I understand that. Yet, it seems Paul > is telling us that it > >is difficult (if not impossible) to tell us > (mortals) apart from angels. > > > >>Correct me if I am wrong, but don't mormons > consider angels to be either > >>pre-mortal or post-mortal humans? For example, > don't mormons consider > >>Michael (the archangel) also to have been a human > at one point...was it > >>Adam? Hasn't he also been considered to be the > mormon god the father? So, > >>basically, one being can be spirit, angel, human, > or god at various times. > >>Am I right on this? > > > >DAVEH: You are somewhat close. > > > >> > >>Perry > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced > search. Learn more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
