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The Genesis and Job comments are supported by some
commentators.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: May 25, 2005 10:29
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon
angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS...
DAVEH: No Judy....I am not kidding, though I may have
chosen better words (counsel) to describe it.
When God spoke as recorded in Genesis (1:26), he
seemed to be discussing the creation with others......
And God said,
Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness:.....
.......I believe this was directly (and pretty
much literally) a reference as to what was said at that planning session, or
counsel. Job also referred to such a meeting
(1:6).......
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to
present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among
them.
.......which also addresses Kevin's comment carrying
negative connotations.........
And Satan was a committee
member!
.........Yes, I believe Satan was also present at that
counsel. His unruly behavior led to a war in heaven, and his subsequent
expulsion. Regarding your comment to Blaine, Judy.......
Blaine
scripture teaches nothing about any pre-existence so it is all a figment of
someone's imagination.
.......I would respectfully
disagree, as I believe there is plenty of evidence recorded in the Bible of
the pre-existence.
Judy Taylor wrote:
Planning sessions? Tell me you are kidding
DaveH ... Like God is a committee and needs input? Also my Bible says
that the Holy Spirit is the executor of the will of the Father and the Word
who became the Son. jt
DAVEH: FWIW.....I agree with what you explained below,
Blaine. But I've always thought LDS theology allows that Adam was a
God in the pre-mortal existence, inasmuch as he was one of the key players
(as you indicated below) who sat in on the planning sessions (so to speak)
of the plan of salvation, and then was a/the pivotal character in
implementing the gospel. Is that how you understand Adam's
role/status, Blaine? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blaine: I guess I just can't resist breaking into an
interesting conversation!! Perry you are wrong when you say
Mormons believe Adam was both God-the-Father and Michael in the
pre-existance. It is clear and consistent in
all Mormon doctrinal treatesies on this subject that 1) The man
Adam was Michael the archangel in the pre-existence, 2) that
Michael was third in order of authority in the pre-existence. Both
the Father and the Son were above Michael in authority. Michael
was the executive of the will of the Father and the Son, you might
say.
In a message dated 5/24/2005 8:01:49 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave,
If I am
"somewhat close", can you tell me the part I am wrong about? You
always say if I want to know what mormons believe, ask a
mormon...
Perry
>From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To:
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>Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of
>Teaching LDS doctrine on TT
>Date: Tue, 24 May 2005
06:38:17 -0700
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>Charles Perry Locke
wrote:
>
>>Dave,
>>
>>
Christians consider angels and humans to be two distinct types of
>>created beings.
>
>DAVEH: Yes, I
understand that. Yet, it seems Paul is telling us that it
>is difficult (if not impossible) to tell us (mortals) apart
from angels.
>
>>Correct me if I am wrong, but don't
mormons consider angels to be either
>>pre-mortal or
post-mortal humans? For example, don't mormons consider
>>Michael (the archangel) also to have been a human at one
point...was it
>>Adam? Hasn't he also been considered to be
the mormon god the father? So,
>>basically, one being can be
spirit, angel, human, or god at various times.
>>Am I right
on this?
>
>DAVEH: You are somewhat
close.
>
>>
>>Perry
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