Tue, 31 May 2005 16:42:15 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED]com writes:
Romans 8:4 is not talking about a righteousness that comes from obeying the Law, whether with the Spirit or otherwise. Rather, it is talking about a righteousness that is attributed to us because of the events of the Incarnation and the cross.
RED FLAG!!
Speaking of red flags -- what about establishing your doctrine about the Levitical Law with absolutely nothing but your imagination -- not that imagination is bad ??
Romans 8:4-8 says nothing about any "incarnation" it reads: "That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Whoa there Neilly !!! verse 4 actually reads “that the righteous requirements of The Law …” and what are those requirements? Well, in a practical sense, these retirements all have to do with Christ and His sacrifice. (see v 3)
So Christ performed so that the righteous requirements of the Law (things we could not or did not do) might fulfilled in us. This has nothing to do with being righteous by right of our own doing -- it was Christ on the cross that made us righteous !!!
Walk in the flesh (verse) is given definition in verse 54, Judy. Who are those who walk in the flesh? Those who do the deeds of the flesh? Nope. It is those who set their MINDS ON THE FLESH. Who are those who are of the Spirit? Those, in this context, who do spiritual THINGS? No again. It is those who set their minds on the Spirit. Romans 12, therefore, speaks of the renewing of our minds -- precisely because of this (new) definition.
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh can not please God"
Well, a hearty AMEN to this !! Paul continues his theme and purpose in this 8th chapter. Continuing to speak of what we think rather than how we act. Remember, in 7:25, he just got through saying that we do not ACT so great………with the FLESH we serve the law of sin and death. Where is the hope? It is in the definition !!! there are two levels of carna
l involvement: one is that which has to do with activity and the other is that which has to do with the mind. In Romans 1:24, they were given over (by God) to the lusts of their ………………….flesh? No …to the lusts of their heart (an I see heart and mind as the same thing in scripture). Disobedience to parents is on this list of those given over to the lusts of their heart. It is one thing to be disobedient to your parents; it is quite another matter to be given over, in your mind, to disobeying your parents. In the former case, you commit sin. The later case, you are given over, you are completely controlled by your desires in a particular area (and there are 26 of them in this list.)
How do I know?
(a) Because this the very point made in the preceding verse (that would be verse 3)
jt: Verse 3 says that by sending His Son in the likeness of flesh, condemned sin in the flesh; it says nothing about
any incarnation.
Stop with this empty criticism, Judy. Your own people at BSF speak of the Incarnation . It is heresy to deny it.
