Dave,
Wait a minute! I agree with you and then you tell me I have it backwards?
How does that work?
You said, "Logically, the onus is not upon me to define the Jesus I
believe in, but rather it is on the person who suggests I don't believe in
Jesus."
I responded, "I think you are right. You are entitled to your jesus, and
the onus is on us to prove him to not be the same as our Jesus."
And now you say, "You've got that a bit backwards, Perry."
Aren't you in essence, then saying that YOU had it a bit backwards since
I was agreeing with you?
Perry
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:25:39 -0700
DAVEH: You've got that a bit backwards, Perry. The onus is on you to
prove (explain might be a better word) your Jesus.....I don't recall seeing
much of that on TT.....other than he created the world, was born of a
virgin, died and was resurrected.....all of which I believe. Is there
more you (TTers) want to say about your belief about Jesus?
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
I think you are right. You are entitled to your jesus, and the onus is
on us to prove him to not be the same as our Jesus. I feel we have done
that. Repeatedly. But, you do not accept our evidence, and I suppose short
of having a vision, you never will.
You have not said our Jesus is a false jesus because, since you say you
beleive in the same Jesus we believe in, that would be like shooting
yourself in the foot.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:55:30 -0700
DAVEH: Logically, the onus is not upon me to define the Jesus I believe
in, but rather it is on the person who suggests I don't believe in Jesus.
FTR....I have not said that the Jesus Kevin, you Perry or any other
TTer believes in is a false Jesus.
Lance Muir wrote:
DaveH says "Kevin, I believe in Jesus." IFF we are going to engage in a
conversation that entails reality, then we have to continue to build
upon that which has been said previously.According to you THE JESUS TO
BE BELIEVED IN IS MOST FULLY AND ACCURATELY DESCRIBED WITHIN MORMON
TEACHING. Is this so? The Jesus believed in by Kevin, Perry, Lance et al
is a false Jesus. Is this not also so? (unwieldy but, you get my
point)What, IYO, are the eternal consequenses for non-Mormons? Mr.
Moderator:Please grant DaveH the opportunity of fully answering and,
explaining.
DAVEH: FTR Kevin, I believe in Jesus. Therefore can we conclude
that you've made the judgment rather than God?
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