Re: [TruthTalk] A Discussion About Jesus

[Dave]

DAVEH:  My latest reply is in GREEN.... Bill Taylor wrote: DaveH in black. Bill in red. 1)  I believe Jesus was born of a virgin mother. I agree with this. 2)  I believe Jesus existed in a pre-mortal existence. I agree with this (I will agree even more, if you will allow me to nuance his pre-mortal existence with the word "eternal" -- he being the eternal, well, let us say, Logos :>) DAVEH:   I believe he was created by his Father in Heaven....Jesus being the firstborn of the spiritual offspring. 3)  I believe Jesus died on the cross in our behalf. I agree with this.   4) I believe Jesus in his incarnate state, is both fully God and fully human, two "natures" in one person. DAVEH:  I agree, though LDS folks rarely use the term incarnate state.  I'm not sure if that is particularly relevant though.   5) I believe Jesus' human nature, prior to the resurrection, was the same as our human nature. DAVEH:   Hmmmm.......I'm not sure on that one, Bill.  I believe Jesus had a pretty full understanding of his divine background, his anointed position and his mission to fulfill.  That being contrasted to our somewhat murkier understanding of our potential for divine nature.  Does that make sense?  Yet I do believe Jesus was subject to the temptations we face, but yet able to withstand those temptations.  Is that to what you were referring?   6) I believe Jesus is Representative Man, the Second Adam; as such he represents everyone represented by the firtst Adam. DAVEH:  Agreed. 7)  I believe Jesus was resurrected with a body of flesh and bone, which attribute he still maintains. 8)  Because of Jesus' resurrection, I believe all mortals will be resurrected in like manner. 9)  I believe Jesus is literally our Elder Brother, in that he was the firstborn of spirits in the pre-mortal existence and we were spiritually created thereafter. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.