DaveH wrote: > I believe he was created by his Father in > Heaven....Jesus being the firstborn of the > spiritual offspring.
I hope you know that such a view creates huge problems for some of us. For us, it makes Jesus ontologically somebody else. The purpose of the Trinity is to explain how Jesus could be another person, yet also BE GOD, not just in purpose of unity, but ontologically. Do you understand this? When I speak of Jesus being my brother, it is because of the incarnation. In other words, he was not my brother prior to being born of Mary and being made the Son of God in the flesh. He humbled himself and became my brother at that point in time. Prior to that point in time, if one could consider my existence prior to it actually taking place, Jesus was my Creator, my God, my eternal Father. Now becoming man, this did not change him in such a way as to take away his relationship to me as my Creator, God, and eternal Father, but it did add somewhat to our relationship. Now I also see him also as the Son of Man, the Son of God, the Christ, the Messiah, the Annointed, my elder brother, the firstborn of every creature, etc. Peace be with you. David Miller. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.

