Everyone, excepting yourself, is inclined toward hyperbole on occasion. I see us pretty much in agreement until YOU go 'hyperbolic' on us when you speak of 'what this means...' I, my own self, see this conversation as a merry go round that we'll never get off. Even if you are incorrect on this matter, I can't see you ever relinquishing your present understanding on the matter.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: July 06, 2005 13:54 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible > David Miller wrote: > >> ... I am under the impression that John thinks my insistence > >> upon the believer being obedient is a bad thing, and that from > >> his newly articulated perspective, people are going to grow > >> up fine no matter whether they resist sin or not. > > Lance wrote: > > Wow! I've never read John to have been saying that. > > Might you illustrate from John? > > In response to my teaching that we are new creatures created in Christ Jesus > unto good works, and the reality that this means we have victory over sin in > our lives, over every temptation that might come our way, John has responded > with labels of "works-salvationists" and "obedience-salvationists." He also > has used the word "legalist" in a negative way. > > For example, consider the following quotes from two recent posts: > > John wrote: > > The works-salvationists on this forum (including our Mormon > > friends -- that's right, you [deegan, JT and DM] and the > > Mormons only argue about different rule s and doctrines while > > refusing to see that your frame of reference is the same !!) imply > > in the argumentation that obedience is the path to maturity when, > > in point of fact, such is not the case in any other ontological > > consideration. If you are nurtured YOU WILL GROW UP > > no matter what. Obedience of which you speak has nothing > > to do with that process. > > and > > John wrote: > > One of the critical issues in the continuing debate, here, > > is the apparent inability of the obedience-salvationists > > to grasp the reality that ontological imperitives are not > > event circumstances capable of fulfillment (compliance, > > if you will ) in a single act or an event-oriented venue. > > Of course, I could write a book to refute what he says here, but who cares > and who is listening? Suffice it to say that John thinks my perspective on > obedience is dangerous. > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
