Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible

[Judy Taylor]

John in the past has seen obedience and what he calls "works salvation" as one and the same.  jt   On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 11:35:46 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Were you under the misapprehension David, that John though obedience > a BAD > thing?   > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > John wrote: > > > The works-salvationists on this forum (including > > > our Mormon friends   --   that's right, you > > > [deegan, JT and DM]  and the Mormons only > > > argue about different rules and doctrines while > > > refusing to see that your frame of reference is > > > the same !!)  imply in the argumentation that > > > obedience is the path to maturity when, in point > > > of fact, such is not the case in any other ontological > > > consideration.   If you are nurtured YOU WILL > > > GROW UP no matter what.   Obedience of which > > > you speak   has nothing to do with that process. > > > > First, John, let me set the record straight yet again that I am > NOT a > > works-salvationist. > > > > Second, what you argue here is like someone arguing that a person > will > grow > > up no matter what, regardless of what they eat.  In regards to a > person's > > spiritual state, disobedience is like urging someone to eat Krispy > Creme > > Donuts for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, or worse, like urging > them to eat > > poison.  Now, surely you must understand that in one case, a > person's > growth > > is hindered, and in the other case, the person's growth is stopped > and > they > > die!  Think about it. > > > > Obedience is a good thing.  It is what Jesus Christ creates within > us, and > > all those who name the name of Christ are called to walk in > obedience and > > produce good works. > > > > Ephesians 2:10 > > (10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good > works, > > which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. > > > > Peace be with you. > > David Miller. > > > > ---------- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that > you may > know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email > to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you > have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you > may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you > have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > >