David Miller wrote: >> ... I am under the impression that John thinks my insistence >> upon the believer being obedient is a bad thing, and that from >> his newly articulated perspective, people are going to grow >> up fine no matter whether they resist sin or not.
Lance wrote: > Wow! I've never read John to have been saying that. > Might you illustrate from John? In response to my teaching that we are new creatures created in Christ Jesus unto good works, and the reality that this means we have victory over sin in our lives, over every temptation that might come our way, John has responded with labels of "works-salvationists" and "obedience-salvationists." He also has used the word "legalist" in a negative way. For example, consider the following quotes from two recent posts: John wrote: > The works-salvationists on this forum (including our Mormon > friends -- that's right, you [deegan, JT and DM] and the > Mormons only argue about different rule s and doctrines while > refusing to see that your frame of reference is the same !!) imply > in the argumentation that obedience is the path to maturity when, > in point of fact, such is not the case in any other ontological > consideration. If you are nurtured YOU WILL GROW UP > no matter what. Obedience of which you speak has nothing > to do with that process. and John wrote: > One of the critical issues in the continuing debate, here, > is the apparent inability of the obedience-salvationists > to grasp the reality that ontological imperitives are not > event circumstances capable of fulfillment (compliance, > if you will ) in a single act or an event-oriented venue. Of course, I could write a book to refute what he says here, but who cares and who is listening? Suffice it to say that John thinks my perspective on obedience is dangerous. Peace be with you. David Miller. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
