Blaine: Actually, I see little reason to be arguing. It appears
that to be "complete" in Christ would be about the same as being "perfect" in
Christ. In other words, a perfect man would have to live according to Christ's
standards completely. Sooo?
In a message dated 7/4/2005 1:41:57 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blaine,
I see much evidence that the word can mean
"complete". Check out the 3
following references.
A. From "The
Complete Word Study Dictionary, New Testament" (Zodhiates), p.
1372, entry
5046 (strongs), section III, in describing "teleios" (perfect)
as
translated in Mathew 5:48 , it states, "God's perfection is absolute;
man's is relative.The teleios is one who has attained moral maturity, the
goal for which he was intended, namely, to be a man obedient in
Christ".
Here perfect does not mean "without flaws", it means "obedient
in Christ".
Also consider:
B. From:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=perfect
Check out several of
the senses below. Which is the one the KJ translators
intended when they
translatd "be ye perfect"? Do you know?
per·fect
(pûrfkt)
adj.
1. Lacking nothing essential to the
whole; complete of its nature or
kind.
2. Being without
defect or blemish: a perfect specimen.
3. Thoroughly skilled
or talented in a certain field or area; proficient.
4.
Completely suited for a particular purpose or situation: She was the
perfect actress for the part.
5.
1. Completely corresponding to a description, standard, or type:
a
perfect circle; a perfect gentleman.
2. Accurately reproducing an original: a perfect copy of the
painting.
6. Complete; thorough; utter: a perfect
fool.
7. Pure; undiluted; unmixed: perfect
red.
8. Excellent and delightful in all respects: a perfect
day.
9. Botany. Having both stamens and pistils in the same
flower;
monoclinous.
10. Grammar. Of, relating to, or
constituting a verb form expressing
action completed prior to a fixed
point of reference in time.
11. Music. Designating the three basic
intervals of the octave, fourth,
and fifth.
C. Also, from Websters:
http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=perfect
Main
Entry: 1per·fect
Pronunciation: 'p&r-fikt
Function:
adjective
Etymology: Middle English parfit, from Old French, from Latin
perfectus,
from past participle of perficere to carry out, perfect, from
per-
thoroughly + facere to make, do -- more at DO
1 a : being entirely
without fault or defect : FLAWLESS
b : satisfying all
requirements : ACCURATE c : corresponding to an ideal
standard or abstract
concept d : faithfully
reproducing the original;
specifically : LETTER-PERFECT e : legally valid
2 : EXPERT, PROFICIENT
<practice makes perfect>
3 a : PURE, TOTAL b : lacking in no
essential detail : COMPLETE c obsolete :
SANE d : ABSOLUTE, UNEQUIVOCAL
<enjoys perfect happiness> e : of an extreme
kind : UNMITIGATED <an act of perfect foolishness>
4 obsolete : MATURE
5
: of, relating to, or constituting a verb form or verbal that expresses an
action or state completed at the time of speaking or at a time spoken
of
6 obsolete a : CERTAIN, SURE b : CONTENTED, SATISFIED
7 of a musical
interval : belonging to the consonances unison, fourth,
fifth, and octave
which retain their character when inverted and when raised
or lowered by a
half step become augmented or diminished
8 a : sexually mature and fully
differentiated b : having
both stamens and pistils in
the same flower
>From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
>
>Blaine,
>
>At the time the King James
Version was translated it is possible that the
>meaning of
"perfect" was appropriate due to it's denotation at that time,
>but
has evolved to mean something slightly different
today.
>
>That idea is not the same as the Bible being
translated incorrectly.
>
>Blaine: If it did evolve,
please show evidence other than your
>speculation.
>
As I indicated, it sounds like you are grabbing at a straw in the water,
>so
>to speak.
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