To the extent that one believes may be seen in who one is, what one does, what one says and, so on then, I'd ask the Moderator to describe, using the life of our Lord as an example, how one separates who one is from what one does. Now, I personally do not subscribe to the drawing of a one-to-one parallel between our lives and His but, I perceive David to be coming very close to doing just that.
My point:YOU CAN'T NOT GET PERSONAL. ONE OUGHT NOT SEPARATE THE TRUTH SPOKEN FROM THE TRUTH SPEAKER....OUGHT ONE? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: July 10, 2005 09:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sinless Perfection.htm > David Miller wrote: > > >This discussion forum is to talk about Truth, not to talk about list > >members. Do you think this is a gossip forum? MODERATOR? A little help > >here please. > > I apologize for being behind on the posts this week. There have been > many, and I am "on vacation" visiting family in Kentucky, and I review posts > and threads when I can, and hopefully will be caught up soon. > > I did see this thread and have been following it to this point, and it is > time for all to take it back to Biblical issues and stop focusing on > personal characteristics. Remember that to mention personal characteristics > of either your fellow posters, or of another who may not be present, but > whose opinions you are introducing or refuting, regardless of whether > positive or negative, is an argumentum ad hominem and not allowed. > > It appears as though this thread has digressed from Biblical evidence for > or against perfection to a personal attack on David M. It is time to stop > the personal attacks and take it back to presenting Biblically based > arguments. If you cannot do this, then perhaps it is time to take a break > from the topic. > > Perry the Moderator > > >From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: <[email protected]> > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sinless Perfection.htm > >Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:51:33 -0400 > > > >John wrote: > > > 1. You have, in past times, made it clear that such > > > things as "selfishness" or "pride" form the foundation > > > or source for "sin" or "sinning." Such has been > > > considered by you as "temptation," not sin. I will > > > not "speak of the Lord only" on this forum, David. > > > Here is a perfect illustration of your double speak > > > ... Pride is sin, John. Please stop bearing false witness > > > about me. I recognize that the temptation to be proudful > > > of oneself resides in my flesh and could be a source of > > > temptation in the future. I do not allow for pride to be > > > a continuing circumstance in my life or the life of a believer. > > > >I see no double speak in this paragraph. What's the problem? > > > >John wrote: > > > 2. As regards paragraph two (your comments below) -- is > > > there a sense in which David Miller is a sinner at any time and, > > > therefore, one who has sinned but continues to fall short of the > > > glory of God? You have denied this, in the past. > > > >John, I have never put forward my perfection or sinlessness ever, so I > >don't > >know why you are trying to make this all about me. God is the sole judge > >of > >my walk, not me, not you, not anybody but Jesus Christ. > > > >John wrote: > > > What is your position today? Let's not forget that > > > "pride" something that we all possess to one degree > > > or another. You now argue that thiis IS sin (pride), > > > making you a "sinner" on any occasion that I care to > > > post to you. > > > >I have maintained many times that the testimony of my wife and those who > >love me and know me is that I am a very humble man. My wife actually says > >that I am the wisest and smartest man she has ever met in addition to being > >humble. That is a very difficult combination, I know, so I assume she is > >mistaken, but presumably she is mistaken about my intelligence rather than > >humility. :-) > > > >How about asking Christine about my humility. Would not she be a better > >evaluator? > > > >John wrote: > > > 3. (see para # DAvid's comments below). It is almost comical > > > to me, the extent to which most on the "right" dislike being pinned > > > down. > > > >I enjoy being pinned down. It makes me think. I do not enjoy being > >misrepresented, mischaracterized, lied about, and maligned. > > > >David Miller wrote: > > >> I agree, and when one begins with John Smithson's > > >> commentary on David Miller, the Biblical message > > >> becomes confused. > > > >John wrote: > > > Did you mean to say this?!! LOL my friend. > > > >Yes I did, John. What's the problem now? > > > >David Miller wrote: > > >> Please, John, don't talk about me on this list. > > >> Represent your views or represent the Lord. > > >> The choice is yours. Just do not represent David > > >> Miller. Please. Is this too much to ask? > > > >John wrote: > > > Yes, on a discussion forum, it really is. > > > >This discussion forum is to talk about Truth, not to talk about list > >members. Do you think this is a gossip forum? MODERATOR? A little help > >here please. > > > >Peace be with you. > >David Miller. > > > >---------- > >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > >http://www.InnGlory.org > > > >If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > >friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
