I do not want to confuse the conscience with the Holy Spirit at any stage.
It is the Holy Spirit who reveals our condition to us, who convicts of sin.
I do not mean pointing out individual transgressions to us (which acts are
right and which are wrong). I mean giving our darkened minds an
understanding that our humanity as it is is pervasively bent--that we are
not in the proper relation to God and are in need of redemption. We can't
know that without knowing who God is and who we are meant to be in relation
to him. This is by the Holy Spirit.
Debbie
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I am agreeing that the conscience which is out from under the governance of
the Holy Spirit is unreliable. So I ask again upon what do you rely, if
not
the conscience. What part of you "knows" the difference between right and
wrong? iz
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Yes. We are actually saying similar things about the nature of sin, Izzy.
And you are agreeing that our conscience is not reliable.
Debbie
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My point is that we could possibly be sinning w/o even being aware of it,
as
God determines what is really is, rather than Man. (Maybe we think we are
being God's spokesman while God considers us to be sinning?) iz
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Jonathan said:
grasping for autonomy
I think this is the nub. We could add that instead of seeking autonomy we
might also willingly give ourselves over to some other god or power
rather
than the Father.
Trying to identify and box in sinful acts misses the point about sin. I
think it also backfires in that it gets us focussed on watching our step,
which is the same as focussing on ourselves--at least, it works that way
for
me. I just heard someone say that Christian perfection is not success in
avoiding sinful acts, it is having our attention completely absorbed by
Christ.
Debbie
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ShieldsFamily wrote:
Okay, I agree. But I guess my question is this: Can you write a
sentence
defining what sin is??? izzy
I can, but it is probably not the life changing information for which
you
search.
1.Since God is angry with the sinner every day, sin is anything that
angers God.
2.Many sins are committed in darkness, but never in secret, so sin is
something that can often be hidden from men, but never from God/
3..Sometimes sin is doing or thinking the wrong thing while at other
times
sin is not doing or thinking the right thing.
4. Sin is when men (or angels) serve self instead of God. It is making
yourself master, usurping the authority of your creator.
Nothing here worth carving in stone. Let's just say that when you've
sinned, you know it.
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