John 3:21 seems to say that we do the truth before we come to the light. After coming to the light, it is revealed that all that we did (having been wrought NASV - the Greek is past tense) was IN God. Does this not apply to this discussion.
JD
-----Original Message-----
From: Debbie Sawczak <debbie@kest.com>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:28:28 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
Note to Terry (whose response to the below I accidentally deleted): I agree that A & E
perceived good and evil, as moral categories, after the fall, as do their
descendants (although we vary widely on what we put into those categories).
They also obviously perceived ugliness in the world which was not there
before. Their descendants also perceive this (and philosophize and poeticize
eloquently about it). But I don't think this is the same thing as
recognizing our condition as sinful/fundamentally corrupt, and apprehending
the ramifications of that. It is the latter which requires revelation by the
HS.
As for "having" the HS: He has always existed and interacted with human
beings. He can act on the understanding without indwelling the person as
those in Christ are indwelt.
Debbie
----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
>I do not want to confuse the conscience with the Holy Spirit at any stage.
>
> It is the Holy Spirit who reveals our condition to us, who convicts of
> sin. I do not mean pointing out individual transgressions to us (which
> acts are right and which are wrong). I mean giving our darkened minds an
> understanding that our humanity as it is is pervasively bent--that we are
> not in the proper relation to God and are in need of redemption. We can't
> kn ow that without knowing who God is and who we are meant to be in
> relation to him. This is by the Holy Spirit.
>
> Debbie
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perceived good and evil, as moral categories, after the fall, as do their
descendants (although we vary widely on what we put into those categories).
They also obviously perceived ugliness in the world which was not there
before. Their descendants also perceive this (and philosophize and poeticize
eloquently about it). But I don't think this is the same thing as
recognizing our condition as sinful/fundamentally corrupt, and apprehending
the ramifications of that. It is the latter which requires revelation by the
HS.
As for "having" the HS: He has always existed and interacted with human
beings. He can act on the understanding without indwelling the person as
those in Christ are indwelt.
Debbie
----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
>I do not want to confuse the conscience with the Holy Spirit at any stage.
>
> It is the Holy Spirit who reveals our condition to us, who convicts of
> sin. I do not mean pointing out individual transgressions to us (which
> acts are right and which are wrong). I mean giving our darkened minds an
> understanding that our humanity as it is is pervasively bent--that we are
> not in the proper relation to God and are in need of redemption. We can't
> kn ow that without knowing who God is and who we are meant to be in
> relation to him. This is by the Holy Spirit.
>
> Debbie
----------
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