Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

[Dave Hansen]

Charles Perry Locke wrote: First, I would never ever expect you to admit it if a mere "protestant" said anything that ever shook your faith. Never. You hold too tightly to your heresy to ever do that. Your responses to Deans posts brought to mind the demon that responded to jesus (paraphrasing), "What do you have to do with me, son of God!" Second, I take exception at your impyling, even figuratievely, that I use ANY mind altering substances. Are you trying to project your own experiences onto Dean and myself? DAVEH:   No.  I was merely trying to inject a measure of humor (denoted by the :-D ) into the discussion, as you guys seem to get so serious that you apparently believe some of the stuff you post that is way off the wall. Third, I do not think that we are as far off base as you state. Otherwise, why would it twist your demons so? The statement I made about Deans effect on your faith must have really touched a nerve. DAVEH:   Comments like that are what make me think you guys are off the wall.  I know exactly how I think and feel when I read what you post.  IF you sincerely think that what you are saying about me is true....when I know it isn't, what do you expect me to think?  I have the advantageous perspective of knowing what and how I think.  You and Dean on the other hand, are taking wild guesses...based on who knows what.....and are coming out so wrong that it is sometimes hard for me to refrain from literally laughing out loud as to your perceptive abilities.  Yeah....you guys are having an effect on me for sure, but it isn't the effect you wanted, or even hoped for.      That's why your comments at the beginning of this post are so interesting.  Why would anybody with any common sense think I would be enamored with somebody who uses falsehoods to try to intimidate me into believing other things they say?  Do you understand how logically asinine this is from my perspective, Perry? Fourth, TT  IS a battleground when Satan enters the camp, regardless of from which of his strongholds he enters. DAVEH:   Really?   I did not know that.  I thought even atheists, devil worshiper or the devil himself would be welcome to post on TT if they so wished.     Notwithstanding that, let's just suppose that you are right (and I'd be curious to hear DavidM's perspective on that, since he's the one who set TT up and laid the ground rules) and that Satan is fair game for battle.  Would you use truth to wage war against evil, or would you use lies and mistruth to fight him?  From my perspective, that's what I see happening by some who want to wage a battle with me.  Truth has taken a back seat when it comes to TT Christianity, as I see it. The father of your faith is the Devil, and JS was his minion in spreading the lies. Satans fingerprints are all over it. You cannot see it due to your blindness and pride. DAVEH:   FTR....I respectfully disagree with your conclusion, Perry. Fifth, you, David, are the one that brings untruth. DAVEH:  Care to give an example? The debates between Christians on TT are, for the most prt "in-house" debates DAVEH:   Huh?!?!?!   Who made that rule?  I thought TT was set up to encourage those who have divergent beliefs to participate in discussions with and between Christians and non Christians.  Am I wrong on that?  Maybe I'm on the wrong forum.  If this is a place that is unfit for Mormons, atheists or others who do not prescribe to the tenets of Protestantism, then you might have a point, Perry.  But I was under the impression that TT was not set up to exclude people. ...issues between Christians that can be debated and, in my opinion, should not separate. However, YOUR religion is the one that states that all other religions are an abomnination to god, and that none of them are correct. It is YOUR religion that divides, Dave, not Christianity. DAVEH:   From what I've seen on TT, I think you may have misplaced the blame, Perry.   Dave, there is still time for you. The clock does not run out until the day you die, then it will be too late. Your may think otherwise, but that does not change the eternal truth. DAVEH:   Nor does what you think or believe change the eternal truth.  You are presuming you hold the eternal truth, and I don't.  As you already know, I find little reason to think you do. Free yourself from Satan's hold immediately. Renounce the heresy of JS and the mormon church. Repent and pray for God to forgive you for following false gods. Then find a bible-teaching and preaching church to attend, and bathe yourself in the forgiving mercies of our Lord! Or, continue in your pride and heresy until your death, at which time you will realize how many tried to reach you in the name of Christ, but you refused. You will have no one to blame but yourself. DAVEH:   Forgive me for not heeding your advice, Perry....but I will trust my faith in Jesus Christ to save me, and continue ignoring those who preach lies. Perry From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 00:01:44 -0700 * I saw a bit of awe and fear in DaveH's responses to Dean that revealed to me the effectiveness of Dean in that mormon's life.* DAVEH:    Whew...........!!!    You must be smoking the same stuff as Brother Dean, Perry!   You guys are turning TT into a comedy club.   :-D    I've got to know....Do you guys expect folks to take you seriously, when you are sometimes so far off base?    Why shouldn't a Mormon's existence on TT be easy?   What do you think this is....a spiritual battlefield?  I was under the impression that TT was a place where folks of different persuasions, faiths and beliefs could congregate to chat about those differences.  Do you want to change TT to something more harsh and unappetizing to those who have divergent beliefs than a few select TTers?    For the life of me.........I would have never thought that TT would be a place that would attempt to drive people away from Christ, yet that's the message that continues to be perpetuated here.  What a strange environment this place labeled TruthTalk......Makes one wonder if there is any Christianity in Christians.........or, Truth in TruthTalk. Charles Perry Locke wrote: When Dean recently began posting,* I saw a bit of awe and fear in DaveH's responses to Dean that revealed to me the effectiveness of Dean in that mormon's life.* Dave has had it too easy for a while!). While some of us on this forum can discern these mormon heresies, if there is even a single individual on this forum that does not, then they will gain from exposure of the truth about the mormons.   In fact, I am surprised that every Christian on this group does not rail against the heresies that are routinely promoted by the mormons on this forum. Instead I see complacency and acceptance of such heresy, even acceptance of pagans as brothers in Christ. Perry -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.